nedboy7 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Let’s all just calm down and consider that if Allen was to play CB he would be ten times better than Gillmore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) Gilmore is an excellent corner and has always been good. Very physical in coverage and played very good man to man. The reason why he is hated on from portions of the fanbase is because he came off as aloof, he never took blame for his play and he wasnt always the most willing tackler and when you combine that with a franchise that had never whiffed the playoffs while he was here, this is a common reaction that you would expect from any NFL fanbase. Going to the Pats didnt do him any favors either. Edited January 4, 2019 by Magox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 55 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: You were wrong, but that's OK. I was completely unaware of Virgil's thread when I began this and actually came across the news about the All-Pro team outside of this board. I was less interested in what Virgil was interested in (the lack of Bills) anyway than in who actually made it. Fair 'nuff. Carry on! 43 minutes ago, Virgil said: Did you just call me fat? Only in certain light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: But that really isn’t the issue - it’s a matter of opportunity cost and resource allocation - letting Gilmore walk was part of the calculus that included passing on Mahomes and trading down for Tre... that’s the issue. Passing on Mahomes and all the other QBs for that matter rests on Pegula alone. We had a new head coach and a lame duck GM. There was never a chance a 1st round QB would be taken. You can trace that back to the decision to hire Rex Ryan and therefore creating organizational instability. Letting Gilmore walk had nothing to do with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Fair 'nuff. Carry on! Only in certain light. Its 2019, the term is big-boned” not f**! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Let’s all just calm down and consider that if Allen was to play CB he would be ten times better than Gillmore. Probably intercept every pass thrown his way and either return it for a TD himself or throw a perfect lateral that results in a TD provided the guy he throws it to doesn't screw it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Honestly, is there a single Bills fan who misses this guy? I've never seen a player avoid contact like Gilmore did in the year before free agency. It was a total joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Magox said: I think we need to Unify as a fanbase and nothing unites us Bills fans as much as talking about Sammy Watkins. Let's talk about him. Oddly enough although I never cared for Stephon, I liked Sammy and still do. Of course, that would end if he ever wore a Pats uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: He's much maligned because he didn't do his most important job..........which was to draft and develop a QB. Nix failure to do so is the reason for the most recent tear down. Like him or not Whaley was like the ball in the pinball machine........lead into harms way by the outgoing Nix and left to draft the best available QB in a wing-and-prayer class of QB's........and then batted around between 3 head coaches orders and a new owner's ignorance(Dareus' contract was on Terry Pegula). What Buddy didn't understand is that in the modern NFL you get the QB first.........they can play 15-18 years..........and then you build around them. Since then teams like the Seahawks have made this into a league-wide model for how to handle your business. Agreed. Fortunately for us, Beane understands this, and executed a plan to get his franchise QB. McD of course first had to wait for Beane’s dim-witted predecessor to be shown the door. As for Nix, I do think Gilmore and yes Dareus were very good picks in the 1st round, but he would’ve much been better served trying to get a QB instead. I particularly feel bad for MD, he couldve been an all-time great but he got picked by the wrong team at the wrong time. Edited January 4, 2019 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Honestly, is there a single Bills fan who misses this guy? I've never seen a player avoid contact like Gilmore did in the year before free agency. It was a total joke. That all i recall of him. and maybe how he looked back at the safeties when someone got past him.which they did. Highly skilled player whom i still loathe. Tre is my kind of player. and he hits. Last week was proof 5 minutes ago, Rico said: Agreed. Fortunately for us, Beane understands this, and executed a plan to get his franchise QB. McD of course first had to wait for Beane’s dim-witted predecessor to be shown the door. As for Nix, I do think Gilmour and yes Dareus were very good picks in the 1st round, but he would’ve much been better served trying to get a QB instead. I particularly feel bad for MD, he couldve been an all-time great but he got picked by the wrong team at the wrong time. Bills have ruined more than one players career.... tis true enough 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Whaley sucks. Too bad Gilmore didn’t smile on draft day!!! Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, SoTier said: ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ The dishonor roll of embittered Bills fans hating on ex-Bills who wanted to play on winning teams or wanted to be paid market value for their skills surfaces every time such a player does well on his new team. Maybe you fools should focus your bitterness on the Bills ownership, front office, and coaching staff who keep letting talented players leave while fielding a roster filled with non-NFL caliber players in the name of some cliche like "it all about the process" when it's really all about how big a profit the billionaire owner rakes in. Who's better? It's not Tre's "persona". It's that White plays for the Bills currently and Gilmore no longer does. When the Bills decline to re-sign White and he moves on (as they've done for all their top corners over the years), the same cretins will surface with the same hatred for him as they now have for Gilmore. so... ***** him.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Glad he is gone and White is here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: Really? For a guy that's been a fan since 73, it's hard to believe you don't remember how quickly our fans changed their tune about Antoine Winfield when he went to Minnesota. He went from gritty and great to small and stone hands. I don't know about that. All through Lil Antoine's time on the Bills, I thought he was a good tackler with marginal pass coverage skills and zero playmaking skills who was beloved by kids and other vertically-challenged Bills fans. Then he went to the Vikings and became great, just a stunning turnaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 hours ago, napmaster said: Can't pay Gillmore when you give Dareus $100M. I sure miss Whaley. bingo. well said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Rico said: Agreed. Fortunately for us, Beane understands this, and executed a plan to get his franchise QB. McD of course first had to wait for Beane’s dim-witted predecessor to be shown the door. As for Nix, I do think Gilmore and yes Dareus were very good picks in the 1st round, but he would’ve much been better served trying to get a QB instead. I particularly feel bad for MD, he couldve been an all-time great but he got picked by the wrong team at the wrong time. I give McBeane credit for being the first Bills regime of the century to understand that you have to actually develop young players. The Bills drafted a bunch of 20-21 year old underclassmen in round one during the drought and just set them loose in a rudderless organization. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Reading some replies here, you might believe Gilmore personally visited select fans and gave them the finger on his way to New England. Guy was voted First Team All-Pro and it's a good topic for discussion. Threads like this bring out some of the best and also some of the worst posters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 hours ago, napmaster said: Can't pay Gillmore when you give Dareus $100M. I sure miss Whaley. Wrong. They could have paid him. They could have tagged him. They could have extended his deal the year prior. Bad decision by Whaley not to extend. Worse decision by McD to not bring him back. 29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I give McBeane credit for being the first Bills regime of the century to understand that you have to actually develop young players. The Bills drafted a bunch of 20-21 year old underclassmen in round one during the drought and just set them loose in a rudderless organization. McD is the one who chose not to bring back Gilmore, Woods, and gave up on Dareus and Watkins. So he is as much to blame as anyone. I wanted Gilmore and was upset Whaley didn't extend him after his fourth year. There was no reason to give TT the money he got. They could have signed Gilmore instead and made TT prove it another year. Same mistake with Fitz earlier. As for Woods, they were priced out of the market for him. I have no revisionist history on that move. LA paid him like a star and he was at best a complimentary piece in Buffalo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Wrong. They could have paid him. They could have tagged him. They could have extended his deal the year prior. Bad decision by Whaley not to extend. Worse decision by McD to not bring him back. McD is the one who chose not to bring back Gilmore, Woods, and gave up on Dareus and Watkins. So he is as much to blame as anyone. I wanted Gilmore and was upset Whaley didn't extend him after his fourth year. There was no reason to give TT the money he got. They could have signed Gilmore instead and made TT prove it another year. Same mistake with Fitz earlier. As for Woods, they were priced out of the market for him. I have no revisionist history on that move. LA paid him like a star and he was at best a complimentary piece in Buffalo. You are correct........they certainly could have paid Gilmore. And yes I've also been critical of McBeane for tearing it down. It wasn't necessary. Hopefully it works out but the team they inherited wasn't really tear down material. I thought then and still think they took the easy way out. Lot's of built-in excuses when tearing it down and the easy part is getting back to mediocrity(which is where they are now). Hopefully it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Magox said: Gilmore is an excellent corner and has always been good. Very physical in coverage and played very good man to man. The reason why he is hated on from portions of the fanbase is because he came off as aloof, he never took blame for his play and he wasnt always the most willing tackler and when you combine that with a franchise that had never whiffed the playoffs while he was here, this is a common reaction that you would expect from any NFL fanbase. Going to the Pats didnt do him any favors either. I wonder if he would have been worth his contract if he stayed here. Didn't he improve in NE, when Patricia/Belichick basically gave up on trying to make Gilmore play zone and man and exclusively focus on man to man coverage? I'm not sure the same result would have happened here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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