Beast Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Beane seems to enjoy wheeling and dealing. I wouldn’t discount anything at this point. The Bills have seemed to make some big trades over the past five years or so. (Yes, I know not all Beane) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 3rdand12 said: Foster is likely one and Zay is the other. beyond that.. In that case ... DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED Can you name one playoff team that either one of these schmucks would start for? Or even make the team? We can and need to Do MUCH better. Edited January 3, 2019 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 In FA Buffalo will sure up their depth. At 9 take an impact player if available. I coming around to the idea of brown from OU if he is sub 4.4. The ultimate deep threat with Allen's arm would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Sign one of either Tate or Tyrell. Then also sign Humphries. Enter draft with: WR1 - Tate/Tyrell WR2 - Foster WR3 - Humphries (in a Kupp type role, could also compete for #2 spot) WR4 - Zay (lets see how he shakes out when competing against better WR's for his roster spot) WR5 - McKenzie (depth and ST guy) This is a deep WR class once you get outside the first 15 picks. We now have no pressure to go WR in the early rounds unless there is a guy they love. We can now maybe look at a guy like Fant or one of the other TEs in rounds 1 through 3, especially since this isnt a good FA year for TE. Also focus on OL and other needs early too. Go out and also bring in some vets on the OL and sign a RB like Ingram or another quality vet to share the load with McCoy next year...and BOOM, divisional crown is a real possibility and we could be a dangerous team next year. We need a better return man than McKenzie,jmho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 4 hours ago, H2o said: Hakeem Butler / WR / Iowa St. I love this player. Want Tyrell Williams in FA along with a G, C and T. Ramon Foster, Matt Paradies and Darryl Williams. Draft, Round 1 Dez White LSU LB Round 2 - Hockenson the TE from Iowa Trade up and give 3rd and 4 to draft Hakeem Butler 2nd 4th round pick - Bryce Love RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I'm not buying that there are no #1 WRs in this draft class. There is a girth of 1st to 2nd round prospects to choose from, somebody will step up. There are just too many good prospects for that not to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 People don't often let go guys they think are #1 WRs. So yeah, I'm not expecting someone to be playing like one next year. But if we draft one early, we might get lucky and have him become one in 2 or 3 years. I wouldn't find that so impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) I don't agree that New England only ever had Moss as a #1 receiver. Wes Welker was a #1, Julian Edelman has been a #1 and Gronk has at times been a #1. Brady as a Quarterback has always been a guy who plays inside to out so their top guys have been slot receivers, tight ends and pass catching backs (James White, Dion Lewis etc). If we are going to try and replicate that we better have a guy who specialises in those precise routes inside. That isn't Josh Allen's strength - his strengths suit playing the game outside to inside. What Belichick has always been great at is saying "screw how other people build a team, I know who my key guys are who do I need to put around them." That should be the lesson from New England that Daboll takes not "they have no #1 receivers." They do, and they have for the last decade... they just don't look like you expect them to. Edited January 3, 2019 by GunnerBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 18 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Actually, I'm not sure I care if they ever get a "true" #1. I agree with what you said, and not just because Daboll is the OC. I think if you look around league, real success in the league is rarely determined by having a "true" #1 wide receiver. They're nice to have, but not essential. Seattle doesn't have a "true" #1. Arizona did and never won. Atlanta does and never won. Cincinatti. Detroit. Houston. Moss only won with Belichick (or did the Giants beat them that year?).. I don't think that lesson is lost on McBeane. They're building a team, not a collection of talented players. Add to that the fact that "true" #1 wide receivers sometimes (and more than most other positions) are prima donnas. Odell Beckham and Antonio Brown are the latest examples. That's also a no no in McBeane land. McBeane are going to keep getting the best players that fit what they're doing. If a "true" #1 comes along with the character, determination and competitiveness that they're looking for, they'll grab him. A HInes Ward (not a #1), an Andre Reed (not really a true #1), a Larry Fitzgerald. But until that guy comes along, Allen will be throwing to guys many people here won't like. Look at Minnesota. Look at the Rams. Look at the Chiefs. One of the dumbest comments we on TV these days is "So-and-so has completed passes to NINE different receivers today." They say it like it's a big deal and it shows how So-and-so sees the field, etc. It's baloney. Offenses are DESIGNED to spread the ball around. They take advantage of mismatches all over the field, and they don't throw a lot to the #1 because the #1 gets doubled a lot. "True" #1 wideouts are overrated in terms of building a winner. Love to have one, no doubt, but they just aren't that important. Stud left tackle is more important. A stud GUARD may be more important. A stud center definitely is. And three or four guys on the defense are more important. As usual my man, you know what's up. Would any of us mind if they added a "true #1" WR? No, but the fact is is that you can win without one. I do think it's important they find some more pass-catchers this year, whether that's WRs or TEs but I don't see them going out of their way to try and land a big name receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I dont see Beane trading for a #1 WR unless a team is looking to dump a salary in a fire sale. I think there will be plenty of good WR/TE in rounds 2-4. If the Vikings dump Kyle Rudolph because of salary, I would love for the Bills to sign him. I think he is not used enough in Min. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I’d take TJ Hockenson if he declares for the draft. Bills desperately need a threat at tight end and they could pick up a wr #2 in free agency to pair with Foster and Jones. No number 1s but it would be an improved wr corps. The Humphries kid could be a nice free agent wr too but he will likely command more $ and go somewhere like Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 19 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Ever since Tom Brady took Reche Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney to the AFC Title Game, I have tended to believe you don't need a superstar WR to be a Playoff team. When I watch the Playoffs, I think they tend to boil down to Quarterback play and Defense. So I think its important that the Bills improve the depth, but chasing a true #1 who is "open when he's not open" has not been a fruitful venture for the Bills in the last 5 years. You do realize that Tom Brady is the greatest football player to ever live, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I agree with this plan and i expect the Bills to go after young vet Wrs entering there 2nd contracts i expect us to sign at least 2 Wrs. John Brown Donte Moncrief Devin Funchess Kevin White Adam Humphries Chris Conley I can also see them trying to lure in a vet wr to lead the room . This signing will be after the dust settles in free agency a player that might fit this motto is Randall Cobb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, metzelaars_lives said: You do realize that Tom Brady is the greatest football player to ever live, right? Understood. I guess my only point is that I am not convinced a high end #1 WR is a requirement to win big in the NFL. Maybe they are similar to a #1 corner. They do make a difference, but an offense can target other corners and throw away from the shutdown corner. In that way a #1 WR can absorb a double coverage, but can't dictate an entire defense, especially for the Bills under McDermott, who are seemingly always going to try and run the ball. Of course you'd prefer Beane's philosophy of drafting and developing your own Antonio Brown, rather than paying the premium price (draft picks and his contract/salary) to pry him away from the Steelers, is ideal, although he is one of the best players in the league regardless of position. It's an interesting debate, I like reading the other comments about would you do it. A PFF article comes out about Levi Wallace and now their is attachment to including him in a deal, along with first round picks. The Bills did have the #1 secondary in terms of yardage this season, so would you potentially weaken that to bolster the WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I think everyone knows this. But bringing in 2 or 3 #2 guys would be a vast improvement. And instead of having garbage as your 4, 5, and 6 you have guys who actually belong in this league (and who can contribute on special teams). We simply didn't have enough money to have a competitive unit. Now we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, MJS said: I think everyone knows this. But bringing in 2 or 3 #2 guys would be a vast improvement. And instead of having garbage as your 4, 5, and 6 you have guys who actually belong in this league (and who can contribute on special teams). We simply didn't have enough money to have a competitive unit. Now we do. Yeah, I like this point. Given the Free Agents that are coming available, do you sign say a Golden Tate, or start putting together a package of assets for Antonio Brown or AJ Green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: Yeah, I like this point. Given the Free Agents that are coming available, do you sign say a Golden Tate, or start putting together a package of assets for Antonio Brown or AJ Green? I would bring in guys like Tate and Moncrief. Guys in that Robert Woods category before he went to the Rams. Bring in the best three you can. Draft one with promise. Then let everyone, including the current guys, fight it out for the top spots. We need to find guys that can make contested catches. I can't think of a single catch this entire year by anyone who had a defender contesting it. That's something that most teams get a couple times per game. Guys here made a couple tough catches, but no contested catches. Maybe the closest was Foster on that TD catch week 17? I want nothing to do with Antonio Brown. Guy quit on his team and is clearly a me-first player. No way McDermott and Beane would compromise the culture like that. I'm not sure AJ Green will be available. Why would he? Is he being shopped for some reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I think any discussion of the Patriots, and Daboll, is 100% moot because of Brady. It's not that they don't want a #1 WR it's that they don't need one. He's the only QB that applies to, including the guys like Rodgers who are as good as him. Daboll would never IMO think the Bills or any other team could use the same strategy as the Patriots with Brady. As soon as Brady is gone they will immediately need and look for a #1 WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Why are we going to trade or cut Foster. 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: I think any discussion of the Patriots, and Daboll, is 100% moot because of Brady. It's not that they don't want a #1 WR it's that they don't need one. He's the only QB that applies to, including the guys like Rodgers who are as good as him. Daboll would never IMO think the Bills or any other team could use the same strategy as the Patriots with Brady. As soon as Brady is gone they will immediately need and look for a #1 WR Or maybe it is that the offense doesnt call for it. Given that until this year when we began to run it, the Pats were the only team to run the Earhardt/Perkins Offense that I am aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 hours ago, BillsfanAZ said: I dont see Beane trading for a #1 WR unless a team is looking to dump a salary in a fire sale. I think there will be plenty of good WR/TE in rounds 2-4. If the Vikings dump Kyle Rudolph because of salary, I would love for the Bills to sign him. I think he is not used enough in Min. Agreed, and I'd be on board with this. The entire NFC North doesn't seem that "in to" the TE position. Graham was grossly underutilized all season long in GB. Burton was pretty much a non-factor in Chicago the second half. If anyone can name the starting TE in Detroit (without cheating), hats off to you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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