The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 There are plenty of stories of guys who are great college coaches, that just don't translate to the NFL, and a few that are vice versa. Most notably as of late, Chip Kelly, and Nick Saban. To me, it seems like a discipline issue. For better or worse, these guys seem to have a dictator type leadership. It works with "kids" in college, but not so much with grown adults. Is there more to it than that though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Conversely, Rex Ryan. Ryan was fairly well in a few years of Jets coaching but would fail miserably if in college. With adults it is not about coaching up talent. It's about building a team with coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: There are plenty of stories of guys who are great college coaches, that just don't translate to the NFL, and a few that are vice versa. Most notably as of late, Chip Kelly, and Nick Saban. To me, it seems like a discipline issue. For better or worse, these guys seem to have a dictator type leadership. It works with "kids" in college, but not so much with grown adults. Is there more to it than that though? College players aren't part of a union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ducej11 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Conversely, Rex Ryan. Ryan was fairly well in a few years of Jets coaching but would fail miserably if in college. With adults it is not about coaching up talent. It's about building a team with coaching. I agree. I think he would do a great job recruiting, but he won't have the structure around the program that is necessary for college kids to thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I do think there's a difference in how a NFL coach effectively treats his players and what's effective in college. But maybe a bigger difference is that college coaches need to recruit their players. Recruiting is not a vital skill for NFL coaches but if a college coach can't recruit, he fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) College athletes are 18-22/23 year olds who are a captive audience. The top tier are playing for what amounts to potential lottery winnings. The coach has complete control of the situation and are basically teflon. NFL you have adult players with piles of money and guaranteed/bonus money. They are all, to a degree jaded about management and much more difficult to motivate. Also, they know that when push comes to shove, its easy to get a coach fired. NCAA coaches also have the ability to heavily stack the deck in their favor on a talent level, where in the NFL, you have things like the salary cap and the draft. Recruiting is also a very important NCAA skill set not entirely transferable to NFL success. Edited January 2, 2019 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Recruiting is the biggest difference, which leads to the power issue. College HCs have a ton of control over everything in the program. That is rarely seen in the NFL. A couple like Belichick and pete Carroll hold dual roles and are almost like CEOs but in college that’s the norm. And the kids have no voice. Either they fall in line or don’t play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Something I wonder about college coaches. Why do they always have state police escorts on and off the field? Are there standing death-threats against them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Just now, All_Pro_Bills said: Something I wonder about college coaches. Why do they always have state police escorts on and off the field? Are there standing death-threats against them? Probably because there are always so many people on the field after college games. It’s a ruckus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 2, 2019 Author Share Posted January 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Something I wonder about college coaches. Why do they always have state police escorts on and off the field? Are there standing death-threats against them? 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Probably because there are always so many people on the field after college games. It’s a ruckus. Yeah. It's very common in college for the home fans, granted a majority of them the students, to storm the field after an upset or big win. 29 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: Conversely, Rex Ryan. Ryan was fairly well in a few years of Jets coaching but would fail miserably if in college. With adults it is not about coaching up talent. It's about building a team with coaching. Agree. I always feel that Rex is under appreciated for the football mind that he has. His problem is personnel management. I feel he doesn't command the type of respect needed as a coach. That he cared more about being their friend than their boss, which would only be amplified if Rex ever took a HC job in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) I think the biggest differences are: College - constant recruiting College - dealing with big donors College dealing with the scuzzy alumni and hanger's on who get the kids in trouble. College - Dealing with the NCAA monopoly who likes nothing better than to penalize these dumb kids with no money for scratching their butts the wrong way Pro - "me first" attitude Pro - players agents (just ask Mike Tomlin) Pro - way more complicated game planning Pro - dealing with the GM and Owner Edited January 2, 2019 by Irv 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 46 minutes ago, ducej11 said: I agree. I think he would do a great job recruiting, but he won't have the structure around the program that is necessary for college kids to thrive. Not to mention ‘discipline’ and ‘attention span’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Pros don't let you have a 35 year career in the shadows with a bad team and call you a genius and humanitarian when you retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 NCAA has no limits on the number of players and no real cap to deal with (only limited scholarships). They also have a good deal of control over parts of their schedule. On on top of that, as mentioned, NCAA is kids whereas NFL is men...some mentoring required but not nearly as much required. Lastly, the NFL is the top 2% of the NCAA so you are dealing with the elite of the elite (or should be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 i would hope a football coach would aim to coach the pros at some point success has a lot to do with the talent provided in the pros and that has burned a lot of attempts to move on up from the NCAA in football and hoops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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