Captain Murica Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I wanted Zay or Kupp in that draft. I was happy with Zay, but not with the fact we traded up to get him to jump ahead of Carolina. I still an not not a fan of the drops and he catches the ball too often with his body. Maybe, he just can’t handle the heat from Allen’s fast ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Zay is a slot receiver and seems to makes his best catches either running latter patterns or coming back to the ball. When used correctly Zay will be good. Foster is the deep threat and speed receiver. McKenzie is a gadget guy and 4th receiver. Bills need What Benjamin could be if he had cared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 His drops show that on the “bathroom code” he is a #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 20 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: The fact that you have to go back to his college days proves how poor your point is. College ceases to matter once you're on an NFL roster. Zay's stats - in the NFL - do show he's a #2. I didn't actually. I simply knew his collegiate track record as part of my draft analysis. The team's "experts"would have been well-served to have done the same. My statement that you refer to was predicated ENTIRELY on this season's splits. Why do i have to comment on posts like yours? Did you even bother to look at much less analyze them? Sounds kind of like the people I was just referring to. In other news, Zay presently, thru 15 games that us, ranks 183rd league-wide in catch %. Sound like a solid #2 to you? Scratch that, of course it does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 To Zay's credit he has improved this year. He went from being horrible all the time to only being horrible half the time. All this from a person (me) who expected him to be like Cooper Kupp or Josh Reynolds. When I saw him in the Senior Bowl I thought he was going to be great. He still might but he needs to learn how to consistently catch the damn ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 17 hours ago, /dev/null said: If it takes two years to develop a solid number two, it's time for Metamucil I would take the time to look at the history of receivers and how long it takes the vast majority to make the transition to what they are fully capable of at this level. Yes, there are outliers, but the general trend is it takes three to five years. Ever heard of Robert Wood? Andre Reed? Tim Brown? Etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) No. He is not a two on most teams. Most teams with better talent would not stand for the drops and the inconsistencies in route running. He is still afforded more development time due to his age. He is a 3 or 4 or 5 on a strong playoff team. Maybe not even that if he doesn’t play special teams. Edited December 30, 2018 by Bob in STL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I dont agree with Ghost much.....but I do here.....it seems like Zay's numbers come AFTER the game has been dedided (usually a loss) You dont see him making the play when the game i on the line. Here's the thing John, and I'm seriously not trying to be snotty or anything, but there is data, stats out there, that reveal exactly where/when/etc. his catches have come. We don't have to watch or subject ourselves to a semi-subjective "eye test," we can go and directly look at the numbers and data to find out. I don't even remember which of numerous sites I went to to look that up. Yeah, I get it, stats don't always tell the whole story, but they tell a whole lot of it. What's left is reconciliations between the "eye test" and the actual results. That's where sound analysis comes into play. Either way, Jones is going to finish the season with around 600 yards, on a team starving for WR talent. He's currently ranked 183rd league-wide in catch-%, something that he's struggled with since he came to the NFL. And that's with an enormous boost from his 183rd status (out of 200) up from 210th (out of 212) last season. He's got zero 100-yard games. Only 1 game over 70 yards, and a mere 5 games greater than 55 yards. I mean who honestly thinks that those are starting, meaning #1 or #2, WR numbers? If he were on the Jets, Fins, or Pats would everyone here be arguing the same? Heck, people don't give Hogan the same credit despite much better numbers and a far greater impact. He also ranks tied for 192nd in YAC. Here are some of his weaknesses from his draft profile, maybe McBeane should have paid a little bit more attention to them, particularly that 4th one, since they typically doom WRs entering the NFL. WEAKNESSES Play speed is very average. Lacks vertical push to force cornerbacks to open and run early and doesn't have second gear to separate from coverage down the field. Thin frame. Struggles to find clean releases against press coverage due to play strength and foot quickness. High-volume production helped by high percentage of short throws and wide receiver screens. Sticky out of breaks and unable to shake tight coverage. Limited amount of burst and wiggle after the catch and won't create much more than is there. Sound/look familiar? Edited December 30, 2018 by TaskersGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud420 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 He is not even a number 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 On 12/29/2018 at 5:47 AM, Binghamton Beast said: But....he is a #1 right now (I think) and only has that number. What if he was looked at as a #2? What would his catch total be? What has it been the last four weeks or so with Foster’s emergence? IMO, Zay is a borderline 3/4 receiver. Dime a dozen guy that belongs nowhere near the top two. + 1 Does almost nothing for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 He had a Pretty good Day today to pad those stats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 23 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Right now I consider Zay no higher than a #4 slot guy and that's borderline. Robert Foster is a clear #3 wr who becomes your deep "stretch the field" guy. This team currently has no #1 or #2 wr. I think Tyrell Williams would make a good #2 and either Marquise Brown or NKeal Harry as a #1 projected guy? I've seen Brown and Harry projected late 1st or early 2nd. I dont think there is a team in the league with a number 4 that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueandRed Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Zays play is as bi-polar as his personality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 23 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I dont agree with Ghost much.....but I do here.....it seems like Zay's numbers come AFTER the game has been dedided (usually a loss) You dont see him making the play when the game i on the line. Yup the game today was definitly in garbage time when the score was 7-0 in the first quarter. 23 hours ago, Success said: Receiver is a position that has a steeper learning curve than most. Rookies can sometimes make a splash, but it usually can take a couple of years before you know what you have. I see a guy who made a huge leap from last year, but is still inconsistent. He will benefit from the Bills adding a true 1 to the roster. You might as well save your breath man. Some people on this board dont realise that and refuse to accept it even when you back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Yup the game today was definitly in garbage time when the score was 7-0 in the first quarter. You might as well save your breath man. Some people on this board dont realise that and refuse to accept it even when you back it up. Jones had a good game today.....but you would not agree that he has not been consistant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 I agree that Jones is a solid 2. I also believe Foster can be an electric option out of the slot. Bills need a true #1 to attract the double team and truly free these guys up. Also having a solid TE threat will alleviate that. It all comes down to finding that number 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Jones had a good game today.....but you would not agree that he has not been consistant? He has been inconsistent for sure which is not unusual for a second year WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BakersBills Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 his hands arent reliable, until they are it hes at best a 3/4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, BakersBills said: his hands arent reliable, until they are it hes at best a 3/4 Boy, id love to have an offense where our third and fourth WR are ranked top 50 in the league. I wonder if you’re right enough to figure out how dumb your comment was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, BakersBills said: his hands arent reliable, until they are it hes at best a 3/4 #3 and #4 WRs don't score 7 TDs a year and Zay isn't done growing. He's not a #1, but he can be a very good #2. He'll have even more production next year when Allen settles down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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