CincyBillsFan Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Dude this is 4 weeks too late. Nobody's brought up Rosen as the better pick in forever. I don't want to measure Allen by how much a bust Rosen might look. By this point I just want the right Josh to be good by the right Josh's standards. This is a very important observation PT5P because once we reach the point where we don't care what the other Josh is doing it means our Josh is doing just fine thank you. I think the reason folks throw this out when Allen has a good game and Rosen doesn't is that there was so much "hate" for Allen and "love" for Rosen by Bills posters on TBD around the time of the draft. It was over the top IMO. At the time I was a lurker here and not a poster but anyone who claims it wasn't happening isn't remembering things right. But Allen's play has given us confidence that we got the right Josh. Hell, I was rooting for BOTH rookie QB's yesterday because their success has nothing to do with Allen's. But at the same time I can cut folks slack who were on the Allen train in April - they took a pretty good beating on here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, TigerJ said: Do we really need a new thread saying the same thing after every Bills win? And I like Josh Allen. If we have to wade through a dozen depressing threads after each loss we can deal with a few happy ones after a win. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: How many passes are Rosen's receivers dropping? During the game, they said Allen has had 11 drops the past 3 games and he easily had 5 today. Right so Rosen doesn’t have any excuses Doc. Please. That team is a trainwreck. I’ll look up the drops for you since you can’t do it yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: This is a very important observation PT5P because once we reach the point where we don't care what the other Josh is doing it means our Josh is doing just fine thank you. I think the reason folks throw this out when Allen has a good game and Rosen doesn't is that there was so much "hate" for Allen and "love" for Rosen by Bills posters on TBD around the time of the draft. It was over the top IMO. At the time I was a lurker here and not a poster but anyone who claims it wasn't happening isn't remembering things right. But Allen's play has given us confidence that we got the right Josh. Hell, I was rooting for BOTH rookie QB's yesterday because their success has nothing to do with Allen's. But at the same time I can cut folks slack who were on the Allen train in April - they took a pretty good beating on here. Reports are that they're benching Rosen for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: on all the imaginary Allen “haters” then go ahead. Show me these imaginary Allen haters. I can show several real ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jasovon said: I had Rosen as my top guy and Allen as my second. Rosen looks awful, yes he has no talent around him but Allen makes guys around him better. No talent? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Amazing the lengths people are going to go to die on this hill. I don't get it. Which hill am I dying on? I didn't like Josh Allen at the draft. I think he looks good. I liked Josh Rosen, I think he has struggled, but there have been flashes of what I think he can be and his coaching has been absolutely dreadful. Remember Sam Bradford looked equally atrocious and we know he can play in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Hopefully. Still too soon to say definitively So predictable...so when is a QB definitively there... Canton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Reports are that they're benching Rosen for the season. This might be a good move. I think BOTH Allen & Darnold benefited from their time on the bench and Lamar Jackson didn't see the field until well into the season. Only Mayfield was advanced enough to come out a play well without a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc said: How many passes are Rosen's receivers dropping? During the game, they said Allen has had 11 drops the past 3 games and he easily had 5 today. Arizona as of last week had had more drops than Buffalo. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Show me these imaginary Allen haters. I can show several real ones. There are some real ones I saw them in the game threads today. I don’t think there are as many as some think. I think a lot of people are perceived as hating when they just point on things the kid can improve on. But not disagreeing...there are definitely some hold outs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Arizona as of last week had had more drops than Buffalo. And Allen as of last week is most pressured QB in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I don't much fancy Rosen's chances of being better next year if Steve Wilkes remains as Head Coach either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: Right so Rosen doesn’t have any excuses Doc. Please. That team is a trainwreck. I’ll look up the drops for you since you can’t do it yourself. I can only assume you really wanted Rosen. I did too. I realized now that I was wrong. And when you find out how many drops Rosen's receivers have had, let me know the site so I can look them up for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Amazing the lengths people are going to go to die on this hill. I don't get it. Speaking of hills to die on, do you ever add anything of substance or just attack other people's opinions? Anyone being objective would say Allen looks good, but that the Cardinals are the biggest mess in football. It's amazing that any negative Allen has is his supporting cast but with Rosen It's all his fault. You can really like Allen's progress and dislike the comparison. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: Arizona as of last week had had more drops than Buffalo. David Johnson and Kirk both credited with 4 drops a piece. Ricky Seals-Jones credited with 3. There’s 11 already from what I could find. Please forward on to @Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, Doc said: I can only assume you really wanted Rosen. I did too. I realized now that I was wrong. And when you find out how many drops Rosen's receivers have had, let me know the site so I can look them up for myself. I found them last week. I will dig them out. Just now, Trogdor said: Speaking of hills to die on, do you ever add anything of substance or just attack other people's opinions? Anyone being objective would say Allen looks good, but that the Cardinals are the biggest mess in football. It's amazing that any negative Allen has is his supporting cast but with Rosen It's all his fault. You can really like Allen's progress and dislike the comparison. 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Draft analysts? You mean media guys or TBD members? Because as far as I recall, at the time when Bills were on the clock there were like 40+ posts in draft thread screaming ROSEN and maybe two people (Nihilirian and somebody else) were saying Allen. There was like 90%+ consensus to pick Rosen on this board... I had no idea since I don't want college but I am happy we picked Allen. And if he is who he seems to be, then Beane is a genius no matter how many mistakes he otherwise make. I thought Rosen was the pick as well. I admit it. I am very glad to be wrong. Phew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Just now, WideNine said: So predictable...so when is a QB definitively there... Canton? I thought it was common sense to think a 13 game sample size was not enough to come to a definitive conclusion regarding two young QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: There are some real ones I saw them in the game threads today. I don’t think there are as many as some think. I think a lot of people are perceived as hating when they just point on things the kid can improve on. But not disagreeing...there are definitely some hold outs. Not too hard to find. They are the guys that are strangely silent every time he does something amazing under pressure, and who fall all over themselves posting at every poor decision or executed play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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