Aussie Joe Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Primarily their defense, which has dropped off dramatically since last year. But Cousins and the O have played some horrible games. Any changes on their D personnel wise from last year? 16 minutes ago, zow2 said: Minnesota got hosed on the Bobby Wagner blocked FG. Shoulda been a 15 yd penalty for clearly using leverage. Another game changing play by the refs. Vikings must be small market bottom feeding losers like us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: How can the Vikings actually be much worse this year with Cousins over Keenum last year? Just think of their fans 4 months ago dreaming about a championship... Not a cousins fan. So I’m going to with Keenum is simply better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Aussie Joe said: Any changes on their D personnel wise from last year? Probably, since that’s the nature of football. Regardless, it’s apparent they aren’t playing anywhere near the level they were in 2017, when they were a dominant unit. 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Not a cousins fan. So I’m going to with Keenum is simply better. Yes, Denver must be thrilled with how that worked out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, KD in CA said: Probably, since that’s the nature of football. Regardless, it’s apparent they aren’t playing anywhere near the level they were in 2017, when they were a dominant unit. I find it interesting that a year ago Zimmer was a defensive genius.. now they cant beat anybody... The "nature of football" is right.. a year is an eternity in this game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I find it interesting that a year ago Zimmer was a defensive genius.. now they cant beat anybody... The "nature of football" is right.. a year is an eternity in this game... Yup. Coaches and QBs will always get too much credit or too much blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, DRA3196 said: I am so glad we don't have anything to do with Cousins. Besides Hainesworth is he the biggest FA bust in history? I was trying to tell people, the dude doesn't make a difference the way a franchise QB needs to make a difference when he is eating up that much of your cap...I was a very vocal critic of his and I am glad to see that my instincts were proven right. 24 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I find it interesting that a year ago Zimmer was a defensive genius.. now they cant beat anybody... The "nature of football" is right.. a year is an eternity in this game... It just goes to show you in some ways each season is its own self-contained entity...teams get hot or go on streaks and sometimes never recapture it again even with almost all the same key players... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Vikings seem off this year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GETTOTHE50 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, zow2 said: Minnesota got hosed on the Bobby Wagner blocked FG. Shoulda been a 15 yd penalty for clearly using leverage. Another game changing play by the refs. Officials absolutely love to call obvious beneficial home games for the c-hawks. Look at: Greenbay vs Seahawks (replacements) & Ryan Carpenter (roughing the kicker/Offside/personal foul by Sherman). The 12th man saying in Seattle is absolutely true.. it just pertains to the refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said: LOLOL. Right? This is the one @jrober38 categorized as “awful” and thrown “at his ankles” no agenda there or anything. So glad you called him out. Even after seeing screen shots he was still justifying his position LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Not a cousins fan. So I’m going to with Keenum is simply better. The chemistry thing on teams is a dicey thing to mess with. I think we have all seen teams bring in high-priced talent and flat-out play worse. Heck, that has been the Redskins modus operandi for years... They did change their OC, but the defensive coaches are the same. The Vikings (much like our Bills) have a reputation for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Edited December 11, 2018 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 hours ago, KD in CA said: Yes, Denver must be thrilled with how that worked out. middling QB play for half the price and way less commitment. I’d say happier then Minny who threw away an otherwise championship caliber roster on a franchise set back QB deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Not a cousins fan. So I’m going to with Keenum is simply better. QB A Completion 61.8% for 3,139 yards 15 TD 10 INTs QB B Completion 71.3% for 3,490 yards 23 TD 9 INTs One of these QBs is clearly better, and it's not Keenum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Thank goodness the bills didn't waste money on Kirk Cousins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 hours ago, PolishPrince said: So glad you called him out. Even after seeing screen shots he was still justifying his position LOL Right. The dude is delusional. That’s the sad part. He says he went back and rewatched it and it was an awful pass. That’s seriously ABSURD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: QB A Completion 61.8% for 3,139 yards 15 TD 10 INTs QB B Completion 71.3% for 3,490 yards 23 TD 9 INTs One of these QBs is clearly better, and it's not Keenum... QB B is Keenum last year as a Viking? Cousins, the stat machine that never fails to come up small in big moments. 4-24 vs winning teams in career. Downgrade for the Vikings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 9 hours ago, DRA3196 said: I am so glad we don't have anything to do with Cousins. Besides Hainesworth is he the biggest FA bust in history? I don't really get this at all, and I don't mean to single you out because a lot of other people have made the same point. Cousins isn't even the worst QB contract given out in the past couple years much less the biggest FA bust of any position in NFL history. Over the next 3 years, he'll make less money than Matt Stafford, the same amount as Jimmy Garappolo, and roughly $10 mil more than Alex Smith, who might never play football again; 2 of which we know with certainty are worse than Cousins and the other has started 10 games in his entire career. People have exaggerated the hell out of the fact that Cousins' contract is fully guaranteed. Most QB contracts are effectively fully guaranteed for 3 years too because the way they're structured makes it a nightmare to get out of their contracts before then. 29 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: QB B is Keenum last year as a Viking? Cousins, the stat machine that never fails to come up small in big moments. 4-24 vs winning teams in career. Downgrade for the Vikings. Shocking that a guy that has played on bad teams his entire career has a losing record against good teams. 9 hours ago, KD in CA said: Primarily their defense, which has dropped off dramatically since last year. But Cousins and the O have played some horrible games. Their defense was brutal early in the year but they've locked in recently and are back up to being top 5-10 statistically; basically right up there with how they played last year. The huge difference is that their running game went from one of the top 5-10 in the league to being bottom 5 in the league. The offensive play-calling has also taken a gigantic step back, not to mention last year was probably a bit of a fluke; it was a lot of Keenum just running around throwing up prayers that his WRs bailed him out on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Wow, the defenses certainly seem to be turning the tide lately after the first nearly three months of ridiculous offense! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, DCOrange said: I don't really get this at all, and I don't mean to single you out because a lot of other people have made the same point. Cousins isn't even the worst QB contract given out in the past couple years much less the biggest FA bust of any position in NFL history. Over the next 3 years, he'll make less money than Matt Stafford, the same amount as Jimmy Garappolo, and roughly $10 mil more than Alex Smith, who might never play football again; 2 of which we know with certainty are worse than Cousins and the other has started 10 games in his entire career. People have exaggerated the hell out of the fact that Cousins' contract is fully guaranteed. Most QB contracts are effectively fully guaranteed for 3 years too because the way they're structured makes it a nightmare to get out of their contracts before then. Shocking that a guy that has played on bad teams his entire career has a losing record against good teams. Their defense was brutal early in the year but they've locked in recently and are back up to being top 5-10 statistically; basically right up there with how they played last year. The huge difference is that their running game went from one of the top 5-10 in the league to being bottom 5 in the league. The offensive play-calling has also taken a gigantic step back, not to mention last year was probably a bit of a fluke; it was a lot of Keenum just running around throwing up prayers that his WRs bailed him out on. Cousins may well be the centerpiece of the ‘gigantic step back’. Looks like Pricey fools gold. 2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Thank goodness the bills didn't waste money on Kirk Cousins This was the number 1 concern I had last off-season. I’ll give the front office the benefit of the doubt that the reason they never were mentioned a suitors is they watch film and value results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I have a buddy who is a big Vikings fan and said talk has already started of cutting him in two seasons because his cap drops. I thought it was kind of nuts but after watching last night I get it. The guy is like Matt Stafford 2.0 great stats but come clutch time he cannot do enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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