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1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

You guys are way out of control with this Charles Clay hatred.

 

He's a serviceable, overpaid tight end who appears to work hard. Until we find an upgrade, there is no reason to up and cut him because you're made about one play.

He's used to be pretty good, much better than serviceable, but it has been a steep decline over the last year or two.  At this point I don' t know how serviceable he is.  After we cut him I thinks it questionable whether he'll be on a roster passed training camp.

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2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

You guys are way out of control with this Charles Clay hatred.

 

He's a serviceable, overpaid tight end who appears to work hard. Until we find an upgrade, there is no reason to up and cut him because you're made about one play.

 

Couldn't agree with this more!

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3 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

You guys are way out of control with this Charles Clay hatred.

 

He's a serviceable, overpaid tight end who appears to work hard. Until we find an upgrade, there is no reason to up and cut him because you're made about one play.

 

For $9 Mil a year, I could "appear" to work hard as well..

 

I thought this game was about results, not appearances..

 

They aren't cutting him this year thanks to his stupid contract agreed by the previous management, but he has as much chance of being on the team in 2019 as Vontae Davis...

 

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8 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

He hasn't been incredibly terrible, esp considering his knees/  Little known fat, he he is the only bill TE to ever have three consecutive 500+ yards receiving.

 

More useless stats please....

 

 

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I don't think they can't afford the cap hit to cut him today. They can cut him as soon as the new league year starts though without an issue, and I expect that they will.

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9 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

The next play Clay makes will be the first.  Dude is stealing his money.

 

 

Back when Tyrod was QB, Clay was consistently open over the middle and deep but Tyrod didn't often go there.

 

Now they've got a guy who can go there and Clay doesn't seem to have the same speed anymore. It's a shame.

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9 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Never liked Clay. He does not impress as a pass catcher, and I cannot remember a time when he ever did......

 

You don't remember that Dolphins game he tore them up?

But really, when you have the likes of Josh Allen, Tyrod Taylor, EJ Manuel, Nathan Peterman & Matt Barkley passing to you, can you really blame him? 

Tyrod kept us at the 30th-32nd ranked passing offense consistently, Allen flip flops between throwing darts and throwing short wobblers, Peterman throws to the other team more than us, and the others are just happy to be on a roster if they can! 

Expecting anyone to standout in this mess is ridiculous & unfair. WR's that come here from other teams have their worst seasons in Buffalo. Outside of Watkins, WR's that leave here have their best seasons. It's not coincidence! In a league where teams put up record amounts of points, 300 passing yards in a game doesn't even get noticed, and the rules are set to favor offenses, protect the QB, and encourage passing, the Bills find it a success if we hit 150 yards.... 

Clay is not a problem, or even close to one of our biggest worries. We need about 4 better WR's before we need a better starting TE. We need about 3-4 new O-linemen before we need a better starting TE. If Allen plays like this next year, we'll need a new QB before we need a new TE. 

Point being, Clay is the least of our worries.

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3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Back when Tyrod was QB, Clay was consistently open over the middle and deep but Tyrod didn't often go there.

 

Now they've got a guy who can go there and Clay doesn't seem to have the same speed anymore. It's a shame.

 

Clay has been open quite often when he's been playing. Our rotating group of underwhelming - awful QB's is what's killing this team. 

1. A raw, extremely inaccurate, not able to read a defense rookie with a cannon for an arm

2. A 2nd year, 5th round pick who got yanked around to the point where he was never going to recover from the INT's he was throwing
3. A 78 year old veteran we got in an "oh s***, we f***** up" moment, who hadn't started since Nixon was in office.
4. A guy playing with some children in a park that was called up and asked "you played for USC at some point right? cool, you got the job!" 

Yes, that's a recipe for success! But don't forget our rookie holds onto the ball longer than any QB in the league (fact), our 5th round pick had a worse passer rating than had he just spiked the ball every play of the game (true fact), the veteran should've been there in the offseason, but then was asked to NOW train our underdeveloped rookie, and the park guy had the best game of any QB on our team this year!

Don't forget, the O-line sucks, has given up a ton of sacks, and commits something like a trillion penalties a game! Yay for success! But man, let's get after Clay!

When our current starter averages 12 completions a game, and averages 150 yards passing, what would you want to see from Clay? 2 catches for 25 yards a game, with a TD once every 5 games? I mean, in half the games Allen's played he hasn't even thrown a TD pass, and he only had his first multi-TD pass game last week, so it's not like Clay can be held responsible for that too, so I don't get what stats people expect from him?

Keep in mind our TOP recieiver averages 38 yards a game 😂 So if you expect much better, might as well cut everyone.

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2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

I will wait til after the season.

 

 

 

...think you have to.......with Croom dinged up, TE ranks are pretty thin.....Towbridge is on PS...............

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13 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 


. If Allen plays like this next year, we'll need a new QB before we need a new TE. 

Point being, Clay is the least of our worries.

........except, that he lost the game for us.

Since you are so down on the Allen, go follow the friggin' patriots.

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I find this insensitive, he tries very hard.....sometimes

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17 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

Clay has been open quite often when he's been playing. Our rotating group of underwhelming - awful QB's is what's killing this team. 

1. A raw, extremely inaccurate, not able to read a defense rookie with a cannon for an arm

2. A 2nd year, 5th round pick who got yanked around to the point where he was never going to recover from the INT's he was throwing
3. A 78 year old veteran we got in an "oh s***, we f***** up" moment, who hadn't started since Nixon was in office.
4. A guy playing with some children in a park that was called up and asked "you played for USC at some point right? cool, you got the job!" 

Yes, that's a recipe for success! But don't forget our rookie holds onto the ball longer than any QB in the league (fact), our 5th round pick had a worse passer rating than had he just spiked the ball every play of the game (true fact), the veteran should've been there in the offseason, but then was asked to NOW train our underdeveloped rookie, and the park guy had the best game of any QB on our team this year!

Don't forget, the O-line sucks, has given up a ton of sacks, and commits something like a trillion penalties a game! Yay for success! But man, let's get after Clay!

When our current starter averages 12 completions a game, and averages 150 yards passing, what would you want to see from Clay? 2 catches for 25 yards a game, with a TD once every 5 games? I mean, in half the games Allen's played he hasn't even thrown a TD pass, and he only had his first multi-TD pass game last week, so it's not like Clay can be held responsible for that too, so I don't get what stats people expect from him?

Keep in mind our TOP recieiver averages 38 yards a game 😂 So if you expect much better, might as well cut everyone.

 

 

Sure, the QBs get their share of the blame. But so do the recievers.

 

And the "fact" that our rookie holds onto the ball longer than any QB in the league has zero relevance to this discussion. Same with Peterman's QB rating. Peterman threw plenty of good passes too, and a couple of the INTs Peterman threw were on the receivers, passes that should've been caught but were instead tapped up in the air for defensive tip drill practice.

 

You're right that the OL has also had problems. No question. And that Zay averages 38 yards a game, but that has come up a ton lately as his light has come on, and plenty of those low figures goes to the receivers also.

 

And you're right that Tyrod was the major factor in Clay's lack of productivity back then. I watched a ton of All-22 and Clay seemed to be open every play he went out, and yet was thrown to only rarely.

 

Where are all the plays where Clay is open and not getting thrown to or getting throw to poorly? I ask that hoping you'll answer me. I haven't watched all the All-22 stuff this year, not even most of it. Give me some plays to go look at. I have Game Pass, I'll gladly go look at any plays you point out though. 29 is young to slow up.

 

I have always liked Clay. I think he was overpaid but a good player. If he has been good this year, I'd love to know about it. What plays should I look at?

 

3 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

........except, that he lost the game for us.

Since you are so down on the Allen, go follow the friggin' patriots.

 

 

There was plenty of blame to go around and certainly Allen's throw on the play comes in for some serious blame. Nobody was within twenty yards and he underthrew him drastically. Clay alone absolutely did NOT lose the game for us.

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On 12/5/2018 at 4:01 PM, Freddie's Dead said:

 

ownz, ownz....

Great Slap Shot reference.

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6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

There was plenty of blame to go around and certainly Allen's throw on the play comes in for some serious blame. Nobody was within twenty yards and he underthrew him drastically. Clay alone absolutely did NOT lose the game for us.

Clay's inability to track Allen, is indicative of his ever declining skills. The serious blame lies with with 'Clay' hands.......

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8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

There was plenty of blame to go around and certainly Allen's throw on the play comes in for some serious blame. Nobody was within twenty yards and he underthrew him drastically. Clay alone absolutely did NOT lose the game for us.

Next time the center fielder runs up and drops the ball I’m sure he’ll be able to blame the batter for not hitting the ball right at him. 

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On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 5:57 AM, BigDingus said:

1. A raw, extremely inaccurate, not able to read a defense rookie with a cannon for an arm

Lazy, lazy take...

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