Mark Vader Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Foxx said: so, just because you have opposable thumbs... you somehow think this deserves it's own thread? I think this thread is completely necessary. Allen is not why we lost today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: I think this thread is completely necessary. Allen is not why we lost today. Jamarcus Russell has opposable thumbs too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yards are nice, but it's points that matter. Tell that to Charles Clay 1 minute ago, Foxx said: Jamarcus Russell has opposable thumbs too! So does Charles Clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Bills fans: Yards don’t matter, wins do Also Bills fans: Yeah we lost but look at the amount of yards he had! Hes a Rookie QB. His developement is more important than wins at the moment. Jordan Phillips is to blame, he just couldnt let the play do the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Tell that to Charles Clay So does Charles Clay oh good. you agree with me then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 If you are going to use stats to make judgements on how good or bad a player is...at least don't use 1 game to justify your position. Some of the really bad QBs have had games where they have put up ton of numbers..and the greatest QBs ever have had awful games. With Allen look at the trend. it appears he is getting better as the season progresses. Is he a star now? No. Is he a lock to become one? No. The point is...the stats...over the SEASON so far and as a week to week trend show what he probably is...not a bust...but not a guaranteed long term answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: He threw a perfect strike to Clay to win the game. Anyone who blames him for the loss is a moron. I donno if I’d call it a strike because the ball was wobbly.. but, it was definitely catchable. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Foxx said: oh good. you agree with me then. Yes, Josh Allen is not why we lost today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Yes, Josh Allen is not why we lost today. whoa... we agree on two things today. who woulda thunk it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 36 minutes ago, VW82 said: And what about missing Zay in the endzone and the ugly INT, and dropped pick in the first half, and all the other missed throws throughout the game? There's blame to go around but Josh had way more bad throws than drops today by the receivers. If you listen to McDermott in his press conference, that miss was on Zay - he was supposed sit on that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 36 minutes ago, VW82 said: And what about missing Zay in the endzone and the ugly INT, and dropped pick in the first half, and all the other missed throws throughout the game? There's blame to go around but Josh had way more bad throws than drops today by the receivers. Jones was supposed to sit in the endzone not continue his route. The INT was bad, yes. But his receivers hurt him more than he hurt them. And yet despite that, the ST's salting-away 11 points, and the refs being crooked, and all the penalties, he threw a pass to Clay that any WR playing in the NFL should be able to catch, for what would have been the game-winning TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Jones was supposed to sit in the endzone not continue his route. The INT was bad, yes. But his receivers hurt him more than he hurt them. And yet despite that, the ST's salting-away 11 points, and the refs being crooked, and all the penalties, he threw a pass to Clay that any WR playing in the NFL should be able to catch, for what would have been the game-winning TD. And he made countless game changing runs throughout the game, and a bunch of big throws on that game winning drive. I credit Josh for even giving Clay the chance to win the game after that crazy Russell Wilson-esk double move to get away from the rush. He made plays. I just wish he could cut down on the percentage of really bad throws. He had 8-10 head scratchers today. Fix that and you have star QB and a chance at playoffs every year. But it needs to get fixed. Edited December 3, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 57 minutes ago, VW82 said: Why is that? Allen is above criticism? He made a lot of things happen out there today but ultimately we lost because we were only able to generate 17 points. That's not good enough and a big part of it was because Allen missed so many throws. It's ok to be excited and still see there are significant problems that need to be addressed. So many? One miscommunication with Jones in the endzone and one deep ball to foster? Including the pick he made 3 poor throws out of 30. You consistently see guys making plays in the elite offense. The last two plays sums up the season for Buffalo and the offense. Allen makes a perfect throw to Jones. Text book back shoulder fade. What looks like a big play on 3rd down with 50 sec left was actually dropped. The final play was chaotic, wreck less. Your saying no, no, no than crossed his body about 50 yards in the air to a wide open clay. Yes, yes, yes and bounces off Clay's chest game over. Neither play was easy but those are what is holding the team back. When guys start making those plays Buffalo will win alot of games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, VW82 said: Why is that? Allen is above criticism? He made a lot of things happen out there today but ultimately we lost because we were only able to generate 17 points. That's not good enough and a big part of it was because Allen missed so many throws. It's ok to be excited and still see there are significant problems that need to be addressed. Allen was the best player on the field today The rest of your post is a cool story. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Still waiting for Jamarcus Russell to appear freaking clowns Allen is pretty bad. He left 21 points on the field today by my count due to his accuracy issues, and almost all of his highlight plays for the season have come from his legs. He's a Tim Tebow with a bit more upside. 3 hours ago, billsfan11 said: How can you possibly blame Allen for that loss? If that’s what you’re trying to say Well, for starters, he cost us 3 TDs because he can't throw the ball accurately. So there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Mat68 said: So many? One miscommunication with Jones in the endzone and one deep ball to foster? Including the pick he made 3 poor throws out of 30. You consistently see guys making plays in the elite offense. The last two plays sums up the season for Buffalo and the offense. Allen makes a perfect throw to Jones. Text book back shoulder fade. What looks like a big play on 3rd down with 50 sec left was actually dropped. The final play was chaotic, wreck less. Your saying no, no, no than crossed his body about 50 yards in the air to a wide open clay. Yes, yes, yes and bounces off Clay's chest game over. Neither play was easy but those are what is holding the team back. When guys start making those plays Buffalo will win alot of games. Three bad throws? Your memory is very selective. I'm not going to go back and detail every single throw for you but did you remember to include the dropped pick in the first half? What about the throw when he escaped the pocket and tried to lob it 25 yards down the sideline to a wide open (Foster??) and missed badly (this play was called back on a penalty)? The ugly misses to Benjamin in the first half? The crossing routes where he kept missing Zay? It was more like ten bad throws. Josh makes lots of positive plays and sometimes puts it right in the numbers which is why this is so weird. The accuracy problem is real though. Edited December 3, 2018 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Allen is pretty bad. He left 21 points on the field today by my count due to his accuracy issues, and almost all of his highlight plays for the season have come from his legs. He's a Tim Tebow with a bit more upside. Back! Back under your bridge! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, VW82 said: And he made countless game changing runs throughout the game, and a bunch of big throws on that game winning drive. I credit Josh for even giving Clay the chance to win the game after that crazy Russell Wilson-esk double move to get away from the rush. He made plays. I just wish he could cut down on the percentage of really bad throws. He had 8-10 head scratchers today. Fix that and you have star QB and a chance at playoffs every year. But it needs to get fixed. Give him more than 7 games. Heck give him at least next season. Not to mention give him some offensive help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 17 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Allen is pretty bad. He left 21 points on the field today by my count due to his accuracy issues, and almost all of his highlight plays for the season have come from his legs. He's a Tim Tebow with a bit more upside. Well, for starters, he cost us 3 TDs because he can't throw the ball accurately. So there's that. Over 360 yards of offence by Allen alone with dropped touchdowns and you’re going to nitpick on a few throws? Jeez bud. Would hate to be your son bringing home an A minus report card.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: My grandma can make that catch After 9 shots of vodka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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