SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Eh , just mad about the game. Or tired of being made to look bad (or worse than he is) because Chuckie wants to tank 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: For those who keep commenting on Carr for Allen....I wasn't being serious. You think we’d have to throw in a 2nd round pick too? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Augie said: You think we’d have to throw in a 2nd round pick too? ? Just one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Just one? How many you got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh I agree. All that I am saying is that what other franchise signs a QB to that type of deal to move on a year later? The Carr contract and the Gruden contract are what prevented them from signing Mack. The guaranteed money goes into an annuity upon signing the deal and Mark Davis was too cash poor to retain Mack. He made a stupid decision to give an average QB that kind of money and an even stupider decision to do the sameness with Gruden. Ya I 100 percent agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Average QB play sounds fun. A month ago or so, the fan base around here would have given their firstborn for 'average QB play'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augie said: How many you got? Well one this year and one next year....and then one in 2021 too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Well one this year and one next year....and then one in 2021 too! Just tell Chuckie "free with every draft pick taken...a visor!" He'll be all over that like white on rice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Nelius said: Gruden is such a dweeb. That visor still, man??? He's like the Guy Fieri of football coaches, I really can't stand him. Leave the Mayor of Flavortown alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh I agree. All that I am saying is that what other franchise signs a QB to that type of deal to move on a year later? The Carr contract and the Gruden contract are what prevented them from signing Mack. The guaranteed money goes into an annuity upon signing the deal and Mark Davis was too cash poor to retain Mack. He made a stupid decision to give an average QB that kind of money and an even stupider decision to do the sameness with Gruden. That's not really true Kirby. Coaches salaries have nothing to do with the Salary cap. And we can't accuse the owner of being a cheap wad because of Chuckies deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: That's not really true Kirby. Coaches salaries have nothing to do with the Salary cap. And we can't accuse the owner of being a cheap wad because of Chuckies deal It’s the actual dollars. I’m not sure that coaches’ salaries work the same as players but the guaranteed portion of contracts are put into an annuity (as I understand it). Mark Davis didn’t have the additional $75M sitting around to put in the annuity for Mack (or whatever it was). He is cash poor until Vegas. Now, I would think that he could have gotten a loan to do it but that’s the way that I heard the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said: Gruden hates rookie QBs. He'll find some veteran but he'll get rid of Carr. Nathan Peterman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s the actual dollars. I’m not sure that coaches’ salaries work the same as players but the guaranteed portion of contracts are put into an annuity (as I understand it). Mark Davis didn’t have the additional $75M sitting around to put in the annuity for Mack (or whatever it was). He is cash poor until Vegas. Now, I would think that he could have gotten a loan to do it but that’s the way that I heard the story. I don’t have any “sources” or anything, but I had heard that too. He just didn’t have that much ca$h to make the Mack deal work. I’m not sure if it was fact or speculation, but it does make sense. I mean, you’re talking about tying up some pretty serious money there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s the actual dollars. I’m not sure that coaches’ salaries work the same as players but the guaranteed portion of contracts are put into an annuity (as I understand it). Mark Davis didn’t have the additional $75M sitting around to put in the annuity for Mack (or whatever it was). He is cash poor until Vegas. Now, I would think that he could have gotten a loan to do it but that’s the way that I heard the story. I agree with the premise of actual dollars being spent, but still the cap is the cap. I was about to post the owner was cheap but then reconsidered when I thought about the Gruden deal, Its Vegas Baby.... there has to be someone to loan him some (shady) cash Edited November 19, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Ray Finkel said: I have never seen a QB burn so many time outs because he can’t get the play off in time. Dude called back to back time outs at one point and was penalized for it. I know Gruden was in his ear after that. I don't know when this other altercation took place. I'd be pissed if I was Carr. He goes from being part of a core of solid young players to the only guy left standing on a team coached by a guy who probably doesn't want him there to begin with. Plus, if he sticks with the Raiders, he's gonna have to pick up and move to Vegas in another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 maybe Carr told him it wasn't the year 2000 anymore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I don’t understand this thread. Why don’t we show the Carr/Gruden interaction after Carr got them in field goal range to win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Get em Beane! 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: For those who keep commenting on Carr for Allen....I wasn't being serious. As am I ^. Oh great.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I agree with the premise of actual dollars being spent, but still the cap is the cap. I was about to post the owner was cheap but then reconsidered when I thought about the Gruden deal, Its Vegas Baby.... there has to be someone to loan him some (shady) cash Yeah, the cap wasn’t an issue with Mack. That would have worked fine. Davis has just tied up so much cash that he couldn’t afford to put the money into an annuity. He has the Carr money in an annuity and I’m assuming (but not positive) that coaches’ salaries work the same way. He can’t just say, “I’ll pay you ____.” It is held on the front end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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