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This is a weakness for McDermott that shows up repeatedly. 

 

He should start Barkely because the Bills kicked butt behind Barkely. It is that simple.

 

Barkely should be able to prove it was either a fluke, or not. The team deserves that.

 

Instead they will start Allen for no other reason other than they drafted him.

 

How is the team supposed to be positive and stoked when they know they finally had a tremendous victory and in response the coaches pulled the starting QB?

 

What if Allen does the most likely thing, and struggles? What if it is so bad they have to pull him? Then he is behind the 8 ball if you ask me. They are risking that for no good enough reason.

 

This staff paints themselves into corners where the only possible non-disaster outcome is that their plan goes exactly the way they envision.

 

So lets hope Allen does great because if he doesn't we will have a better playing QB sitting on the bench just because the coach says so.

 

And the team and us fans will never know for sure if Barkley was a fluke or not.

 

If Barkely starts and does great, then there is no down side. If he starts and flops, then we have Allen and we put him in next time. The only down side this way is that Allen loses a game of practice.

 

If Allen starts and does great it will be the first time, and it will be great. But it is unlikely. And if he starts and flops badly then you have all kinds of trouble. 

 

The decision is easy and as usual with the QB spot  the coaching staff  made the wrong one.

 

 

 

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Starting Barkley would be a complete waste of time. It's the same kind of shortsightedness that has held the franchise back for far too long and I am happy to see that they didn't fall into this trap sitting at 3-7.

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It was one game.  This is the same kind of logic that prompted us to sign Rob Johnson.  

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3 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

This is a weakness for McDermott that shows up repeatedly. 

 

He should start Barkely because the Bills kicked butt behind Barkely. It is that simple.

 

Barkely should be able to prove it was either a fluke, or not. The team deserves that.

 

Instead they will start Allen for no other reason other than they drafted him.

 

How is the team supposed to be positive and stoked when they know they finally had a tremendous victory and in response the coaches pulled the starting QB?

 

What if Allen does the most likely thing, and struggles? What if it is so bad they have to pull him? Then he is behind the 8 ball if you ask me. They are risking that for no good enough reason.

 

This staff paints themselves into corners where the only possible non-disaster outcome is that their plan goes exactly the way they envision.

 

So lets hope Allen does great because if he doesn't we will have a better playing QB sitting on the bench just because the coach says so.

 

And the team and us fans will never know for sure if Barkley was a fluke or not.

 

If Barkely starts and does great, then there is no down side. If he starts and flops, then we have Allen and we put him in next time. The only down side this way is that Allen loses a game of practice.

 

If Allen starts and does great it will be the first time, and it will be great. But it is unlikely. And if he starts and flops badly then you have all kinds of trouble. 

 

The decision is easy and as usual with the QB spot  the coaching staff  made the wrong one.

 

 

 

In reading your post I can only assume that the most important thing to you is a win and that's what's driving your choice of Barkley.  It's a perfectly understandable point if your not thinking beyond 2018.

 

To me, the rest of 2018 is building for 2019 and 2019 and beyond is Josh Allen, his development is critical for the long term development of the franchise.

 

Matt Barkley is a slightly better version of Nate Peterman who better understands what he can and cannot execute on the field, but basically the same guy.  Acceptable back-up QB.

 

Thats why it's a no-brainer to start and play JA for the rest of the season.

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Allen should start if healthy. Every other alternative is completely pointless.

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they'd have to win every game to get the wild card

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Barkley is the backup of the future. You play your rookie, let him gain the experience, and hope he's the franchise QB you drafted him to be. 

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24 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

And the team and us fans will never know for sure if Barkley was a fluke or not.

 

Barkley has one job on this team moving forward: not be Peterman.

 

He did his job.

 

This season is done. 2019  begins vs. the Jags. Every snap goes to Allen moving forward.

 

It's genuinely that simple.

 

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29 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

This is a weakness for McDermott that shows up repeatedly. 

 

He should start Barkely because the Bills kicked butt behind Barkely. It is that simple.

 

Barkely should be able to prove it was either a fluke, or not. The team deserves that.

 

Instead they will start Allen for no other reason other than they drafted him.

 

How is the team supposed to be positive and stoked when they know they finally had a tremendous victory and in response the coaches pulled the starting QB?

 

What if Allen does the most likely thing, and struggles? What if it is so bad they have to pull him? Then he is behind the 8 ball if you ask me. They are risking that for no good enough reason.

 

This staff paints themselves into corners where the only possible non-disaster outcome is that their plan goes exactly the way they envision.

 

So lets hope Allen does great because if he doesn't we will have a better playing QB sitting on the bench just because the coach says so.

 

And the team and us fans will never know for sure if Barkley was a fluke or not.

 

If Barkely starts and does great, then there is no down side. If he starts and flops, then we have Allen and we put him in next time. The only down side this way is that Allen loses a game of practice.

 

If Allen starts and does great it will be the first time, and it will be great. But it is unlikely. And if he starts and flops badly then you have all kinds of trouble. 

 

The decision is easy and as usual with the QB spot  the coaching staff  made the wrong one.

 

 

 

Yes, let's just ignore his body of work up until this point. Started six NFL games and played in seven, throwing 8 TDs and 14 INTs, with at least 2 or more INTs in 5 of those seven games (and 5 INTs in one game). He has been evaluated by GMs and coaches on four teams and determined not to be starting QB caliber. 

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1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

Yes, let's just ignore his body of work up until this point. Started six NFL games and played in seven, throwing 8 TDs and 14 INTs, with at least 2 or more INTs in 5 of those seven games (and 5 INTs in one game). He has been evaluated by GMs and coaches on four teams and determined not to be starting QB caliber. 

 

It was actually 8 TDs and 18 INTs before the NYJ start. He's a journeyman who should be thrilled to land in Buffalo as the backup. 

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I am amazed at how our fans kept saying all offseason that this should be a learning year for Allen, he shouldn't play a down, he should just learn, he's too raw, he's going to get killed behind such a bad o-line.  All that with Peterman and McCarron as the guys who would be playing ahead of him.  And now that we have a QB who actually looked solid in his last game and Allen already got hurt once and now we want to throw him in?  Not saying one game makes Barkley a superstar but let's ride the hot hand at least for one game and do what we said we were going to do to begin with letting Allen develop from the sideline instead of throwing him into the deep end.

 

27 minutes ago, ChicagoRic said:

It was one game.  This is the same kind of logic that prompted us to sign Rob Johnson.  

That was replacing Flutie who had already led us to two straight playoff seasons not a very raw rookie who was coming off an injury.  Galaxies different situation.

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39 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

This is a weakness for McDermott that shows up repeatedly. 

 

He should start Barkely because the Bills kicked butt behind Barkely. It is that simple.

 

Barkely should be able to prove it was either a fluke, or not. The team deserves that.

 

Instead they will start Allen for no other reason other than they drafted him.

 

How is the team supposed to be positive and stoked when they know they finally had a tremendous victory and in response the coaches pulled the starting QB?

 

What if Allen does the most likely thing, and struggles? What if it is so bad they have to pull him? Then he is behind the 8 ball if you ask me. They are risking that for no good enough reason.

 

This staff paints themselves into corners where the only possible non-disaster outcome is that their plan goes exactly the way they envision.

 

So lets hope Allen does great because if he doesn't we will have a better playing QB sitting on the bench just because the coach says so.

 

And the team and us fans will never know for sure if Barkley was a fluke or not.

 

If Barkely starts and does great, then there is no down side. If he starts and flops, then we have Allen and we put him in next time. The only down side this way is that Allen loses a game of practice.

 

If Allen starts and does great it will be the first time, and it will be great. But it is unlikely. And if he starts and flops badly then you have all kinds of trouble. 

 

The decision is easy and as usual with the QB spot  the coaching staff  made the wrong one.

 

 

 

The problem with this thesis is that you do already know (long term) what Barkley is or isn’t according to the FO’s of how many teams since 2013? He played absolutely lights out against the Jets and no one was happier than me to see it, and he will likely turn that into another payday with either the backup Bills job or somewhere else. But at the end of the day everything revolves around finding out if we have our franchise guy or not the rest of the way (and prob into next year as well). Everyone on the team know this as well so I don’t know how it could affect morale negatively either. It wasn’t just the QB position that upped its game last week! 

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3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It was actually 8 TDs and 18 INTs before the NYJ start. He's a journeyman who should be thrilled to land in Buffalo as the backup. 

You're right. Either way, if he would have played those games in Buffalo, it would have been enough, for the same people who want to start him now to "see what he can do," to want him run out of town and banished from society....

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That is really short sighted. You could play barkley for another game or two only to evaluate the rest of the offense to pin point every position that we need to work on. After thst tho Allen has to start. This year is a wash for him, he jus needs to get as many real live reps as he can this year to level up for next year where we should be able to challenge for the WC

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14 minutes ago, Roch-A-Bill said:

We needed a 10th thread on this subject?

 

I will leave that to you, the reader, to decide

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Barkley was lucky not to be intercepted against the Jets. I am happy to see a Bills QB who has a gunslinger mentality. It doesn’t always work, but it’s entertaining. I might consider letting Barkley start again, but I would have him on a short leash. 

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3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

You're right. Either way, if he would have played those games in Buffalo, it would have been enough, for the same people who want to start him now to "see what he can do," to want him run out of town and banished from society....

 

Exactly. People are acting as if he's a kid who played his 1st NFL game and seem to forget that he should have been picked off a couple of times against the Jets.  He did a good job overall, but he's a backup. 

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I agree with the OP. The only thing that is different is Allen is our starting QB. Barkley should be signed an extension for the backup spot. The guy is basically a coach. He’s very smart with great character. Such a nerd when it comes to film. Would love to see him be the groomer for Allen in his career. 

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Start whomever gives you the best chance to win against the JAGS. and IMHO its Barkley   until the team is math eliminated . if he fizzles.so be it 

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I can’t wrap my head around anybody thinking Barkley is a waste of time. What if he just was good? Good enough to let us be good? What if Barkley just matched up well with this system and Dabol? The light comes on at different times for guys and last Sunday was the closest thing we have seen to real passing in a very long time. There is no reason to bench Barkley now. Make him show us last week was a fluke. If Barkley keeps playing well, then keep playing him. If he stinks. Put Allen in. 

 

Allen is not going anywhere. There is no rush here. We are going to get plenty of time to see him and he should have sat all this year anyway. Allen will probably never be good. He wasn’t good in college and has been terrible so far. If Barkley is good, that takes the pressure off of the Allen situation. If they somehow both end up being good, then we are in incredible shape. We could trade one of them, or better yet have 2 good QBs for a change. Play Barkley against Jacksonville. If he struggles, you just play Allen and never look back. If Barkley lights it up again, then see where it goes. Barkley isn’t 38 years old. If he ends up being a very good QB, we could potentially get 10 more years out of him. Im not saying he will end up being good, I just want to find out. Give Barkley at least 1 more start. This team was on pace to be the worst offense in NFL history. Barkley got 41 out of them. Only the Bills would be dumb enough to bench a guy after that. There is no harm in starting Barkley 1 more time. Allen isn’t ready yet anyway. Play Barkley until he sucks. We have plenty of time to learn about Allen. 

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1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I can’t wrap my head around anybody thinking Barkley is a waste of time. What if he just was good? Good enough to let us be good? What if Barkley just matched up well with this system and Dabol? The light comes on at different times for guys and last Sunday was the closest thing we have seen to real passing in a very long time. There is no reason to bench Barkley now. Make him show us last week was a fluke. If Barkley keeps playing well, then keep playing him. If he stinks. Put Allen in. 

 

Allen is not going anywhere. There is no rush here. We are going to get plenty of time to see him and he should have sat all this year anyway. Allen will probably never be good. He wasn’t good in college and has been terrible so far. If Barkley is good, that takes the pressure off of the Allen situation. If they somehow both end up being good, then we are in incredible shape. We could trade one of them, or better yet have 2 good QBs for a change. Play Barkley against Jacksonville. If he struggles, you just play Allen and never look back. If Barkley lights it up again, then see where it goes. Barkley isn’t 38 years old. If he ends up being a very good QB, we could potentially get 10 more years out of him. Im not saying he will end up being good, I just want to find out. Give Barkley at least 1 more start. This team was on pace to be the worst offense in NFL history. Barkley got 41 out of them. Only the Bills would be dumb enough to bench a guy after that. There is no harm in starting Barkley 1 more time. Allen isn’t ready yet anyway. Play Barkley until he sucks. We have plenty of time to learn about Allen. 

Clearly you're unbiased and impartial on this matter.

 

But you do have something in this situation, you have six meaningless games for Allen to start in and see how he develops. If you wait till next season then the games all matter again.

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1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I can’t wrap my head around anybody thinking Barkley is a waste of time. What if he just was good? Good enough to let us be good? What if Barkley just matched up well with this system and Dabol? The light comes on at different times for guys and last Sunday was the closest thing we have seen to real passing in a very long time. There is no reason to bench Barkley now. Make him show us last week was a fluke. If Barkley keeps playing well, then keep playing him. If he stinks. Put Allen in. 

 

Allen is not going anywhere. There is no rush here. We are going to get plenty of time to see him and he should have sat all this year anyway. Allen will probably never be good. He wasn’t good in college and has been terrible so far. If Barkley is good, that takes the pressure off of the Allen situation. If they somehow both end up being good, then we are in incredible shape. We could trade one of them, or better yet have 2 good QBs for a change. Play Barkley against Jacksonville. If he struggles, you just play Allen and never look back. If Barkley lights it up again, then see where it goes. Barkley isn’t 38 years old. If he ends up being a very good QB, we could potentially get 10 more years out of him. Im not saying he will end up being good, I just want to find out. Give Barkley at least 1 more start. This team was on pace to be the worst offense in NFL history. Barkley got 41 out of them. Only the Bills would be dumb enough to bench a guy after that. There is no harm in starting Barkley 1 more time. Allen isn’t ready yet anyway. Play Barkley until he sucks. We have plenty of time to learn about Allen. 

 

That's exactly what it would be and thank goodness the team is not going to waste that time.  Barkley is a backup. Period.  This is the time to get Allen invaluable experience to shorten his learning curve as the youth movement has begun in earnest with the team stiing at 3-7.  

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