billspro Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) Josh Allen was a much better prospect than Barkley coming out of college. Allen carried that team, Wyoming has been brutal without him on the field. Barkley was a part of one of the worst NFL draft classes I have ever seen. Saying that, I did see some encouraging signs that he could be a quality back up for us. A back up QB is an important piece of a championship team (see the Eagles). Edited November 12, 2018 by billspro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Barkley most certainly was not behind an established starter in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I didn't bother with the ignore function for many years on this board but I'm now seeing the value. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: A QB that was barely recruited and struggled at Wyoming? A guy who did very little against severely inferior college competition? A guy that has a lot of physical ability but lacks most of the fundamentals that will allow a QB to be accurate? A guy who struggled to separate himeself from Mountain West competition? The most heavily scrutinized qb in the draft class and the one labeled most likely to bust? Or the high school player of the year, all world recruit. 4 year starter at USC playing in big games against big time teams? Very successful college career. Projected top 10 pick in 2012. Highly polished. Highly intelligent.... When you actually look at what this is, outside of arm talent alone (which is very overrated) Why would Allen be more likely to pan out then Barkley? They both have almost the same amount of starts. Barkley has always been behind established starters and never got a real chance to start. Everyone is making up their mind that Barkley’s ceiling is a good backup, but why? Barkley had the ideal opportunity to show that he's an NFL caliber QB in Chicago. He couldn't beat out Brian Hoyer. I'm perfectly happy keeping him on the roster as the long term back up, but NOBODY should be entertaining thoughts of him being the long term starter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: A QB that was barely recruited and struggled at Wyoming? A guy who did very little against severely inferior college competition? A guy that has a lot of physical ability but lacks most of the fundamentals that will allow a QB to be accurate? A guy who struggled to separate himeself from Mountain West competition? The most heavily scrutinized qb in the draft class and the one labeled most likely to bust? Or the high school player of the year, all world recruit. 4 year starter at USC playing in big games against big time teams? Very successful college career. Projected top 10 pick in 2012. Highly polished. Highly intelligent.... When you actually look at what this is, outside of arm talent alone (which is very overrated) Why would Allen be more likely to pan out then Barkley? They both have almost the same amount of starts. Barkley has always been behind established starters and never got a real chance to start. Everyone is making up their mind that Barkley’s ceiling is a good backup, but why? Barkley will be 29yrs old at the start of next season and has been on about 6 teams in his nfl career. He had an awesome game yesterday. Theres no need to make more of it than it really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Good script for a TROJAN MAN commercial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: A QB that was barely recruited and struggled at Wyoming? A guy who did very little against severely inferior college competition? A guy that has a lot of physical ability but lacks most of the fundamentals that will allow a QB to be accurate? A guy who struggled to separate himeself from Mountain West competition? The most heavily scrutinized qb in the draft class and the one labeled most likely to bust? Or the high school player of the year, all world recruit. 4 year starter at USC playing in big games against big time teams? Very successful college career. Projected top 10 pick in 2012. Highly polished. Highly intelligent.... When you actually look at what this is, outside of arm talent alone (which is very overrated) Why would Allen be more likely to pan out then Barkley? They both have almost the same amount of starts. Barkley has always been behind established starters and never got a real chance to start. Everyone is making up their mind that Barkley’s ceiling is a good backup, but why? You conveniently forgot Barkley's other stat of being on his 6th NFL team in 5 years. You'd think if he was such an obvious choice one of those other 5 teams would of noticed something before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: A QB that was barely recruited and struggled at Wyoming? A guy who did very little against severely inferior college competition? A guy that has a lot of physical ability but lacks most of the fundamentals that will allow a QB to be accurate? A guy who struggled to separate himeself from Mountain West competition? The most heavily scrutinized qb in the draft class and the one labeled most likely to bust? Or the high school player of the year, all world recruit. 4 year starter at USC playing in big games against big time teams? Very successful college career. Projected top 10 pick in 2012. Highly polished. Highly intelligent.... When you actually look at what this is, outside of arm talent alone (which is very overrated) Why would Allen be more likely to pan out then Barkley? They both have almost the same amount of starts. Barkley has always been behind established starters and never got a real chance to start. Everyone is making up their mind that Barkley’s ceiling is a good backup, but why? Not Matt Barkley. And these are established starters? 2013 - Vick and Foles 2014 - Foles and Sanchez 2015 - Cardinals couldnt play 2016 - Cutler and Hoyer 2017 - Az ans again couldnt play so tell me where are those Established Starters? Edited November 12, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: A QB that was barely recruited and struggled at Wyoming? A guy who did very little against severely inferior college competition? A guy that has a lot of physical ability but lacks most of the fundamentals that will allow a QB to be accurate? A guy who struggled to separate himeself from Mountain West competition? The most heavily scrutinized qb in the draft class and the one labeled most likely to bust? Or the high school player of the year, all world recruit. 4 year starter at USC playing in big games against big time teams? Very successful college career. Projected top 10 pick in 2012. Highly polished. Highly intelligent.... When you actually look at what this is, outside of arm talent alone (which is very overrated) Why would Allen be more likely to pan out then Barkley? They both have almost the same amount of starts. Barkley has always been behind established starters and never got a real chance to start. Everyone is making up their mind that Barkley’s ceiling is a good backup, but why? When we get brilliant threads like this we demand a poll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, GG said: Barkley had the ideal opportunity to show that he's an NFL caliber QB in Chicago. He couldn't beat out Brian Hoyer. I'm perfectly happy keeping him on the roster as the long term back up, but NOBODY should be entertaining thoughts of him being the long term starter. Perfectly ideal, they were one of the worst offenses in teams in recent history. An absolutely terrible team. Yeah, that was a real time to shine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 are we talking about Allen vs Darnold? Because they haven't played each other yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 I’m not saying I think he will be good. I just think it’s asinine to sit here and act like it’s more likely that Josh Allen will be better. It’s not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I’m not saying I think he will be good. I just think it’s asinine to sit here and act like it’s more likely that Josh Allen will be better. It’s not I don't think a single person here has advocated for getting rid of Barkley. He's still here - he's still practicing. What i saw yesterday has an absolute CEILING of Case Keenum. I don't think you can win a super bowl with case keenum, and as far asi know that is the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) you know Op, one thing I notice about you and not really to knock you but you have always jumped on the bandwagon of QBs that have a good game or two. even going as far as to make them your "new" avatar. sure I know most if not all bills fans are desperate to having the right QB and not to take anything away from barkley but with no real tape on him and little time to prepare for him he was able to have a decent game against the jets. almost 250 2 tds and 0 ints, pretty much the best outing so far of the 4 of them. teams have tape on him now but it may not matter anyhow as news has it, the starter will be allen after the bye? don't knock allen or use where he came from and go on to prop up barkley just because he had a decent game yesterday. allen is the future, barkley could have one as the back up and I feel he is a much better choice at #2 then old legs anderson or nate "let me throw a pick" peterman? unless allen was to completely (which I doubt happens) flop, he will be the bills starter? not matt barkley. Edited November 12, 2018 by no name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 This argument was relevant in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I am 100% onboard Bringing Barkley back next season AS BACKUP over Peterman and Anderson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: A QB that was barely recruited and struggled at Wyoming? A guy who did very little against severely inferior college competition? A guy that has a lot of physical ability but lacks most of the fundamentals that will allow a QB to be accurate? A guy who struggled to separate himeself from Mountain West competition? The most heavily scrutinized qb in the draft class and the one labeled most likely to bust? Or the high school player of the year, all world recruit. 4 year starter at USC playing in big games against big time teams? Very successful college career. Projected top 10 pick in 2012. Highly polished. Highly intelligent.... When you actually look at what this is, outside of arm talent alone (which is very overrated) Why would Allen be more likely to pan out then Barkley? They both have almost the same amount of starts. Barkley has always been behind established starters and never got a real chance to start. Everyone is making up their mind that Barkley’s ceiling is a good backup, but why? TLDR: "I hate the Allen pick"..... noted (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 I hope Allen turns out to be great. I just find it funny that people are almost expecting it. The guy has been nothing but terrible. Again, I’m not even saying yesterday was what Barkley is but I would certainly let him play again. I’m not going to be surprised if he ends up playing well. I wouldn’t just decide he can’t be good because other teams didn’t see it. You never know when a guy is going to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 26 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: A QB that was barely recruited and struggled at Wyoming? A guy who did very little against severely inferior college competition? A guy that has a lot of physical ability but lacks most of the fundamentals that will allow a QB to be accurate? A guy who struggled to separate himeself from Mountain West competition? The most heavily scrutinized qb in the draft class and the one labeled most likely to bust? Or the high school player of the year, all world recruit. 4 year starter at USC playing in big games against big time teams? Very successful college career. Projected top 10 pick in 2012. Highly polished. Highly intelligent.... When you actually look at what this is, outside of arm talent alone (which is very overrated) Why would Allen be more likely to pan out then Barkley? They both have almost the same amount of starts. Barkley has always been behind established starters and never got a real chance to start. Everyone is making up their mind that Barkley’s ceiling is a good backup, but why? I'd still like to see if he floats ducks in the ralph before I get on board. People continue to forget one of the worst parts of playing QB in Buffalo is the circular wind at the ralph. 26 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Because 90% of this Board has decided that USC cannot produce a starting NFL QB....where as they all know that Wyoming is a QB Factory! The league decided he's a backup long before the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I hope Allen turns out to be great. I just find it funny that people are almost expecting it. The guy has been nothing but terrible. Again, I’m not even saying yesterday was what Barkley is but I would certainly let him play again. I’m not going to be surprised if he ends up playing well. I wouldn’t just decide he can’t be good because other teams didn’t see it. You never know when a guy is going to get it. If Allen is healthy. All indications he should be after the Bye. He ABSOLUTELY better get the start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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