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(hypothetical) Alabama vs. Bills spread

Alabama vs. Bills with spread  

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Bama is a football factory but the Bills D which made Tom brady and Deshawn Watson look average would absolutely end Tuas career..Buffalo would cover with Shady at QB

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17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes and he is terrible. He is here because of Daboll. He is not NFL quality. Over half of the current Alabama starters will end up busts. At least some will never even make a practice squad. You're right I don't know the players they have and I am still 100% confident in that prediction.

 

 

Top 5 OTs have a massive bust rate. But let's assume he will be the greatest OT of all time. If he or any of his teammates gets mauled by any of our pass rushers, which would happen 100% of the time, they lose the down.

Is Tua throwing into NFL windows on every play? How will he succeed throwing into those windows for the first time in his life with 2 seconds of pass protection at best?

 

 

Rush 4 on every play. Double cover them if you have to. Whatever. Their offense would lose more yards than they gain.

 

 

And the first time they are hit by an NFL player will take them out of the game. If they survive that then the 2nd hit. Imagine a college player with zero NFL conditioning taking 5 hits from NFL players. I can't even imagine it getting to that point.

 

You haven't mentioned special teams yet. What are Alabama's special teams like? What would NFL starters do to them? NFL special teams players were stars on offense and defense in college. Wouldn't we just block every punt? Wouldn't we return numerous kicks for TDs if they could even get them off?

Did you say you don’t watch any college football, and yet you’re happy to weigh in on this subject? Ok

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Peterman is one of the worst QBs in football. He was one of the best in college 2 years ago. Pryor is playing WR. He was one of the best QBs in college football his year. 

 

Bills could win 100-0 with Kyle at QB. Question is stupid. 

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10 hours ago, mannc said:

We are talking about top ten d-linemen from Alabama.  Those guys are LOCKS to become NFL starters, if not stars.  Name me a defensive lineman from Alabama who was drafted in the top ten in the past ten years and who did not start in the NFL.

 

Indeed in the first two rounds of the last THREE drafts alone FIVE Alabama defensive tackles have been taken.

 

Robinson (2016 2nd Round - DET - Key player on their defensive line)

Reed (2016 2nd Round SEA - Starter on their defensive line)

Allen (2017 1st round WAS - Key player on their defensive line)

Tomlinson (2017 2nd round NYG - Starter on their defensive line)

Payne (2018 1st round WAS - Key player on their defensive line)

 

These guys are studs. They do not bust. They are dominant college players that even at their floor become every down type starters in the National Football League. Why? They are just that darn good.

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34 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

I've gotta take Bama on the spread. No way the Bills would notch up 10 field goals vs Saban's defense.

Right, just because the bills are playing a college team, all of a sudden kelvin benjamin are going to stop dropping most of the passes thrown his way because of reasons and our OL will magically start playing well

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7 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I hate this topic. I don't watch any college football but take Alabama's 2 worst starters on offense and defense. The players that won't even be signed as UDFAs. We would absolutely abuse those players if nothing else. Their offensive line would be destroyed, whatever their weak point is would be like a tackle dummy. Our offensive line could carry Shady to the endzone on 10 straight plays starting from the 1 yard line. Why even bother passing? We could hand the ball off to Kelvin Benjamin for fun. Let McDermott take a couple snaps at QB. We'd win by 50 points no matter what. This is a joke.

 

Put Jerry Hughes against any one of them tomorrow. They have zero NFL conditioning. He would obliterate any one of them. You're talking about guys that might be NFL starters in 2 years?? And you're betting that all 5 of them simultaneously will stop our pass rushers long enough for their WRs with zero NFL conditioning to get open. They would be lucky to get a 1st down and if they did I bet it would come on a penalty. Actually they would be lucky to get off a punt. God I can't even imagine what a college special teams unit would look like against 11 players that are good enough to play for NFL teams. Maybe our offense would never need to take the field at all come to think of it. Just for a laugh we could have Patrick Dimarco return kicks I suppose.

 

 

I have more sympathy for the argument that Alabama wouldn't be able to cope with ou5 defensive front 7. That their offensive linemen wouldn't hold up.  I do think all 5 of them will play in the NFL, but I'm not quite as giddy on Jonah Williams as everyone seems... mauling the LSU defenders is not the same as mauling NFL defenders. That said I agree with Kirby that Williams and the center would be instant starters on the Bills line. I don't think the OL pedigree at Alabama is as strong. But if we are talking about the Bills being able to "run all over" Alabama when their last FIVE starting defensive tackles were first or second round picks and are playing AND playing well in the league and their last THREE middle linebackers were all first round picks and are all starting in the league too.... I don't buy that. Those guys were dominant in college and are performing extremely well in the NFL (especially the DTs) because they are super talented.

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47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

 

I have more sympathy for the argument that Alabama wouldn't be able to cope with ou5 defensive front 7. That their offensive linemen wouldn't hold up.  I do think all 5 of them will play in the NFL, but I'm not quite as giddy on Jonah Williams as everyone seems... mauling the LSU defenders is not the same as mauling NFL defenders. That said I agree with Kirby that Williams and the center would be instant starters on the Bills line. I don't think the OL pedigree at Alabama is as strong. But if we are talking about the Bills being able to "run all over" Alabama when their last FIVE starting defensive tackles were first or second round picks and are playing AND playing well in the league and their last THREE middle linebackers were all first round picks and are all starting in the league too.... I don't buy that. Those guys were dominant in college and are performing extremely well in the NFL (especially the DTs) because they are super talented.

 

The posters ITT who are admitting that they have never watched alabama or any college football, but are galaxy brain experts about it should probably tune in to the Alabama game tomorrow at 330EST.  One thing that Bama has that the  Bills absolutely do not is at least 7 guys on O who can catch the ball consistently.  One way to deal with pressure is to put enough guys out in the pattern so that someone is always open.  Tua is light on his feet and gets the ball out quick when he needs to.  They would move the ball with dinks and dunks, but also have a couple guys completely capable of taking the  top off any D.  Speed is speed, and the ability to hold on to  the ball doesnt magically change when you go from college to the pros

 

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19 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Speed is speed, and the ability to hold on to  the ball doesnt magically change when you go from college to the pros

 

Unless you are Zay Jones

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6 minutes ago, mannc said:

Unless you are Zay Jones

 

Yep. And there are other examples too. The hits are harder, guys get there faster (ie. before you have properly secured the ball) and it does have an impact.

 

Again, I'm not saying Bama's offense sucks, far from it. But their defense vs the Bills offense to me is much more of a close match. I think their O vs the Bills D would be much more one sided.

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8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Honest question, “how many Bama games have you seen this year?” I just ask because some people are acting like we are talking about “any” college team. With the exception of Clemson, Alabama may be 28.5 points better than any other team in college football. Their QB didn’t take a 4th quarter snap until last week. That was their toughest matchup. It was a 29-0 win, at night, in Baton Rouge. LSU was considered the 3rd best team in the country. 

 

Additionally, guys are developed at Alabama at a level that they aren’t at other schools. 48.3% of 5 star recruits that go to Alabama get picked in the 1st round. 17% of 5 star recruits that go elsewhere get picked in the 1st round. They had the number 1 recruiting class in the country 7 straight years until this past year!! They could land up to 10 5 stars next year!! 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.com/college/alabama/ContentGallery/Alabama-Football-Recruiting-Ten-5-star-recruits-that-could-end-up-at-Alabama--118308045/Amp/

 

The point is that they aren’t just some good college team. The gap from Alabama to the 3rd best team in college football is greater than the gap between the 3rd best team in the country and the 50th best team.

 

Kirbs, you’re one of my favorite posters here and have been for a long time. After Kirby Puckett, you’re probably my second-favorite Kirby in sports. Only the fluffy pink Nintendo character gives you a run for your money. 

 

That said, this just feels like rehashing the same lazy morning sports radio call-in show topic we hear every year. Can [terrible NFL team] even beat [great NCAA team]?

 

The answer is yes, every time. 

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42 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

 

Kirbs, you’re one of my favorite posters here and have been for a long time. After Kirby Puckett, you’re probably my second-favorite Kirby in sports. Only the fluffy pink Nintendo character gives you a run for your money. 

 

That said, this just feels like rehashing the same lazy morning sports radio call-in show topic we hear every year. Can [terrible NFL team] even beat [great NCAA team]?

 

The answer is yes, every time. 

I appreciate the kind words!! You always have solid takes and the best avatar on the board.

 

The only reason that the topic is back up is because an actual Vegas oddsmaker set the line at 28.5. The point was to supposed to be that this conversation wasn’t started by some TBD poster’s opinion or a WGR caller. If this game were to be played the line would be 28.5 The entire conversation wasn’t supposed to be “can the Bills beat Alabama?” It was “can the Bills beat Alabama by 28.5 points?” I happen to think that it’s about 30-10. 

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9 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

I think a more interesting thread is who would win in a fight? Alabama Trent Richardson v NFL Trent Richardson v 2017 Trent Richardson. Make it a triple threat. I might take Alabama Trent.

I don't know why I'm having a ton of fun with this thread, because I find it so silly and am on the complete opposite end of the spectrum as you (I think it's a guaranteed *** whooping even if we were to cut our entire roster and play our practice squad and mess around with fun Wildcat plays lol.. it would be a fun relaxing Sunday for all Bills involved. Jerry Hughes would run in to take snaps and run over kids)

 

2017 Trent probably weighs 300 pounds I got him, you got Heavy Weight boxing champ v 2 Welter Weights!

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18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I guess for me, it’s more about the 28.5. If I were betting this game, I’d be betting Bama. The game would be something like 30-10 IMO. Alabama isn’t some college team that has some NFL players. They probably have 20-30 guys on that roster now that will be in the NFL and 15 or so guys that will be drafted in the 1st 2 days. Now, some of them are young but elite talents like Jeudy, Harris and Tua will make a few plays (even against our strong defense). Their OL has multiple guys that would start on our OL now (Williams and Pierschbacher). Their defense has a few stars as well (specifically Quinnen Williams). The Bills would do some scoring but I don’t see them winning by 29 or more.

Always appreciate your posts, Kirby. 

 

I’m a huge Bama fan as I used to live there, two of my nephews go there, my oldest son goes and and my middle son wants to go there. Given the connection, I have stayed up with them and use them as the successful team I root for. 

 

Now living back in the ROC, I still believe that we would trounce them. Bama’s D isn’t a ‘normal’ Bama D this year (too many preseason injuries, particularly at LB) and I believe our D would shut them down, for the most part.

 

it would be an enjoyable game to watch.

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Just now, TroutDog said:

Always appreciate your posts, Kirby. 

 

I’m a huge Bama fan as I used to live there, two of my nephews go there, my oldest son goes and and my middle son wants to go there. Given the connection, I have stayed up with them and use them as the successful team I root for. 

 

Now living back in the ROC, I still believe that we would trounce them. Bama’s D isn’t a ‘normal’ Bama D this year (too many preseason injuries, particularly at LB) and I believe our D would shut them down, for the most part.

 

it would be an enjoyable game to watch.

Out of curiosity, score prediction? 

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28 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I appreciate the kind words!! You always have solid takes and the best avatar on the board.

  

The only reason that the topic is back up is because an actual Vegas oddsmaker set the line at 28.5. The point was to supposed to be that this conversation wasn’t started by some TBD poster’s opinion or a WGR caller. If this game were to be played the line would be 28.5 The entire conversation wasn’t supposed to be “can the Bills beat Alabama?” It was “can the Bills beat Alabama by 28.5 points?” I happen to think that it’s about 30-10. 

Avatars matter. I'd seriously consider a 50 point spread if Vegas knew what they were doing (they've been getting owned this year with the lines expecting less CFB like blowouts. NFL is going through a weird transition with aging quarterbacks in their final Super Sayan III stage, and younger quarterbacks not named Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, or Matt Ryan finally stepping up to compete against them.. all leads to a huge disparity until the old guard finally gets the heck out of the league and the Bills won't have to play in a league with 6 HOF quarterbacks playing suspiciously ageless.. YAYYY!) 

 

So Vegas is dumb and I'd bet my life savings on this spread. Only thing holding us back is Daboll calling more than 10 pass attempts.

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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Out of curiosity, score prediction? 

 

I'd go 21-7 Bills. Bills up 21-0 early throwing against the Bama secondary, then McDermott trying to bleed the clock for the final 3 and a half quarters running up the middle for 1 yard x3 and then punting.

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12 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Avatars matter. I'd seriously consider a 50 point spread if Vegas knew what they were doing (they've been getting owned this year with the lines expecting less CFB like blowouts. NFL is going through a weird transition with aging quarterbacks in their final Super Sayan III stage, and younger quarterbacks not named Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, or Matt Ryan finally stepping up to compete against them.. all leads to a huge disparity until the old guard finally gets the heck out of the league and the Bills won't have to play in a league with 6 HOF quarterbacks playing suspiciously ageless.. YAYYY!) 

 

So Vegas is dumb and I'd bet my life savings on this spread. Only thing holding us back is Daboll calling more than 10 pass attempts.

 

forum user "PetermanThrew5Picks" thinks said Peterman will lead the Bills to a 50+ point win.  You realize picks are bad, right?

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1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Avatars matter. I'd seriously consider a 50 point spread if Vegas knew what they were doing (they've been getting owned this year with the lines expecting less CFB like blowouts. NFL is going through a weird transition with aging quarterbacks in their final Super Sayan III stage, and younger quarterbacks not named Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, or Matt Ryan finally stepping up to compete against them.. all leads to a huge disparity until the old guard finally gets the heck out of the league and the Bills won't have to play in a league with 6 HOF quarterbacks playing suspiciously ageless.. YAYYY!) 

 

So Vegas is dumb and I'd bet my life savings on this spread. Only thing holding us back is Daboll calling more than 10 pass attempts.

Again, you think it’s 50, I think it’s 20. The people that do this for a living think it’s 28.5. They know WAY more than we do.

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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Again, you think it’s 50, I think it’s 20. The people that do this for a living think it’s 28.5. They know WAY more than we do.

 

They know more than we do, and are probably less enthralled with the unstoppable juggernaut that is the 2018 Buffalo Bills than the locals

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19 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

King Kong easily as Godzilla has short arms and no lateral movement.

 

Give me Godzilla though against the Army as King Kong was downed by 1930s planes with propellers and Godzilla has the breath weapon.

Yeah but King Kong's hand eye coordination was suspect especially when you consider how bad he was at swatting those planes

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3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Again, you think it’s 50, I think it’s 20. The people that do this for a living think it’s 28.5. They know WAY more than we do.

True, but they've been getting killed on NFL gambling lines this year is all I'm saying.. relative to other years. Atyptical NFL seasons where blowouts or at least crazy high scoring is screwing up those "any given Sunday lines" of a 7 point game between a top team vs bottom.

 

And I don't expect them to have any metric for hypothetical college vs pro.. so I see it like the gambling line of Godzilla vs King Kong in ping pong.. how on Earth can they measure that. Same bookies that made ludicrous lines on Mayweather and McGregor, no one knows what their doing when their crossing over leagues.

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5 hours ago, dorquemada said:

 

forum user "PetermanThrew5Picks" thinks said Peterman will lead the Bills to a 50+ point win.  You realize picks are bad, right?

I already said run the damn wildcat every play, put Trumaine Edmunds up there to block and show Alabama what a young man who is far from a bust should look like in college.

 

All those projected high draft picks will find out real quick if they belong in his tier.

 

Also it's been said already Peterman beat national champs Clemson. College is easy for these dudes. He wasn't at a league history worst QBR, he was great, good enough to be drafted, good enough for Gruden to say....

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jon-gruden-made-wild-prediction-about-nathan-peterman-before-2017-nfl-draft/

RED FLAG! ABORT! DON'T DRAFT SOMEONE GRUDEN WANTS

 

I'd change it to PetermanBeatClemson when we get relegated to CFB and become the most dominant program ever.. because we'd have the best quarterbacks in the league. Sign Tebow and Johnny too. 

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