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My Answer to a Question Murph asked P. King “Is Buffalo missing something with approach to Offense?”

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Just now, iinii said:

Then how about would you have Daboll continue as the OC?

 

I can't evaluate him given the poor talent he's been given to work with this season.  For me, he deserves a chance to work with real talent next season to see what he can do.

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4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I can't evaluate him given the poor talent he's been given to work with this season.  For me, he deserves a chance to work with real talent next season to see what he can do.

That sounds like a yes.

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9 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said:

Lynn is a very good coach look what he did with our 1 deminsional offense in 2016 we averaged 27pts per gm. We had injuries to our wr core all yr starting multiple players coming off the streets.

 

Yes, he was and it was a really nice surprise, considering how little experience he had in designing a game plan.

 

One of the smartest things he did, and it can't be stressed enough...he went with what had worked and improved on it.

 

He saw that Greg Roman's playbook for the running game was working, it needed refinement. Much of the refinement came in from just getting the plays in the huddle on time.

 

But he knew the team could run the ball and didn't try to screw things up by changing the system. Then we had Dennison, who changed to a stretch play dominant offense because....he never ran another offense and had no desire to learn another.

 

Lynn doesn't run the same playbook in LA now because he has different personnel and it would be foolish to waste Rivers' talents.

 

There's a reason Lynn is a head coach now, and that his team is successful.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, iinii said:

That sounds like a yes.

 

It is and I'll add that McDermott would look ridiculous by having a 3rd OC in 3 seasons as Bills' HC. 

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3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It is and I'll add that McDermott would look ridiculous by having a 3rd OC in 3 seasons as Bills' HC. 

All you had to do was say yes. It doesn’t need justification. Views on this board are for entertainment purposes only. 

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Just now, iinii said:

All you had to do was say yes. It doesn’t need justification. Views on this board are for entertainment purposes only. 

 

I like to provide reasoning with answers if that's okay.  ;)

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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I like to provide reasoning with answers if that's okay.  ;)

Fine by me. I don’t believe Daboll is the answer and my reasoning is the teams he was successful with weren’t successful because of him. I could be the OC for Belichick and Saban and win, like Switzer and the 90’s Cowgirls 

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The bad contracts purge left us without a lot of talent. I'll save my judgement for next year. 

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22 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

Going to read some names

 

Wade Phillips

Greg Williams

Dick Jauron

Rex Ryan

Sean McDermott

 

Defense, Defense, Defense.  ALL Defensive Minded/Philosophical coaches whose approach permeates from the top bottom.

 

now the other two Head Coaches? 

 

Doug Marrone, a Offensive Sided Coach, but who is almost just as conservative and Defensive Minded as any Defensive Coordiantor in the league.  I mean...Coach Marrone was quoted as saying he NEVER WANTED TO THROW.

 

That only leaves Chan Gailey as being the only true Offensive Minded Head Coach to have control in Buffalo.  And while Chan did have some things he was far from progressive or innovative and really was Used Goods.

 

and Mike Mularkey who frankly i just recalled because another poster pointed it out.  If I try all I recall was McGahee running the bills to the 9-7 record.

 

1 of 2 things will happen.

1.) Allen will be good and his abilities will mask all of McDermott’s conversativeness.

 

2.) Allen wont be good and he and McDermott will be removed.

 

IF that happens, we need to hope/plead that the Pegulas will finally identify a YOUNG, PROGRESSIVE, INOVATING OFFENSIVE MINDED HEAD COACH.

 

In my opinion it doesn't matter if you're a defensive minded HC or not, that's what the OC is for, there have been plenty of successful DC... Coughlin, Belichick, Fox, Billick, the list goes on but you need to find the right OC, do we have that in Daboll? I'm going to say no, I see nothing innovative about his offenses even with what he has top work with at least try new things.

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42 minutes ago, CookieG said:

 

Yes, he was and it was a really nice surprise, considering how little experience he had in designing a game plan.

 

One of the smartest things he did, and it can't be stressed enough...he went with what had worked and improved on it.

 

He saw that Greg Roman's playbook for the running game was working, it needed refinement. Much of the refinement came in from just getting the plays in the huddle on time.

 

But he knew the team could run the ball and didn't try to screw things up by changing the system. Then we had Dennison, who changed to a stretch play dominant offense because....he never ran another offense and had no desire to learn another.

 

Lynn doesn't run the same playbook in LA now because he has different personnel and it would be foolish to waste Rivers' talents.

 

There's a reason Lynn is a head coach now, and that his team is successful.

 

 

Fwiw , Lynn took over in season. It was much too late to install anything new. His playcalling and philosophy was pretty good, but he was running Romans offense. 

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17 hours ago, CookieG said:

 

Yes, he was and it was a really nice surprise, considering how little experience he had in designing a game plan.

 

One of the smartest things he did, and it can't be stressed enough...he went with what had worked and improved on it.

 

He saw that Greg Roman's playbook for the running game was working, it needed refinement. Much of the refinement came in from just getting the plays in the huddle on time.

 

But he knew the team could run the ball and didn't try to screw things up by changing the system. Then we had Dennison, who changed to a stretch play dominant offense because....he never ran another offense and had no desire to learn another.

 

Lynn doesn't run the same playbook in LA now because he has different personnel and it would be foolish to waste Rivers' talents.

 

There's a reason Lynn is a head coach now, and that his team is successful.

 

 

He doesn't run the same offense but there's defintely elements of it they run alot of misdirection plays.

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On 11/6/2018 at 2:29 PM, Rigotz said:

How do you start a thread about something a person said ... and not mention what they said?

 

That is the most amazing thing about this thread.

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17 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

In my opinion it doesn't matter if you're a defensive minded HC or not, that's what the OC is for, there have been plenty of successful DC... Coughlin, Belichick, Fox, Billick, the list goes on but you need to find the right OC, do we have that in Daboll? I'm going to say no, I see nothing innovative about his offenses even with what he has top work with at least try new things.

This team has absolutely zero talent at the QB position.

 

Look no further than that if you're trying to understand why the offense sucks.

 

 

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20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I can't evaluate him given the poor talent he's been given to work with this season.  For me, he deserves a chance to work with real talent next season to see what he can do.

 

Its tough for us.... but one would hope those more in the know would have a better grasp on his play design, teaching, etc.... 

 

 

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On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 2:57 PM, Fadingpain said:

I am on board with McBeane's immediate dismissal, as that will save us time in the long run.

 

It would also be great if Pegula ordered them to take a QB with our coming high first round pick for when Allen busts.  That will save us some time too at least in terms of having a backup shot at QB.  Doesn't mean the newly drafted QB will be any better but gotta keep taking QBs until we have one.

 

This whole thing is on pace to end at the end of next season, then more regime change, then more personnel change to make the new HC happy, etc.  

 

I'm just trying to save some time here. 

 

And YES, I would ONLY consider young, offensive minded HC candidates.  Not because that is totally necessary, but b/c I think it gives an advantage and creates the greatest chance for success.

 

 

 

 

I don't think Mcbeane is going anywhere but I do tend to agree with you.  This year has been such a failure on offense, some of the numbers are absolutely mind boggling.  I heard on the radio if you take away the Vikings game, thru 8 games we have only scored 16 points in the first half.  How is that even possible?  We are on pace for 15 offensive TDS this year, we had over 40 the past two years.  Neither the 17 or 16 version of the Bills were not an offensive juggernaut.  Hopefully Pegs has some guts at the end of the year & tells the boys from Carolina to pack their bags & don't come back but my guess he will give them another to show their incompetence & fire them after the 19 season.  

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