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7 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said:

You realize this is year 2 of this regime?  And the team is getting worse not better.  

Tell me how this is any different than Rex?  Rex destroyed a top 5 defense. McD destroyed a top 10 offense.  Rex's team played undisciplined.  McD's team is 3rd highest in penalties and 2nd highest in penalty yards.  Special teams suck despite all the roster spots dedicated to them.  Rex ran an antiquated defense. McD signed a multi-million dollar fullback.  

I'm done with both Beane and McDermott.  

Sorry but Sean is loser and does not get it,  you need to throw the ball in this league to win.  Just the chatter of Beane talking about bringing back a 31 year old Mccoy next season tells me they want to continue to play caveman football

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9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

McDermott gets at least one more season. Offense needs to be the focus and I believe it will be. They do stink this year, no doubt about it. I would bring everyone back one more year and see what happens. All coaches on offense even. Look at what the Atlanta offense has been like the last 4 years. 

Under Shannahan the Falcons weren’t very good his first year and then good his second. Under Sarkisian the Falcons weren’t very good his first year and this year they are good again. I believe it may take a little longer for an OC to really learn what all his players are good at. Also when you don’t have a ton of talent yet on that side of the ball, the success is going to be harder and take longer. The easy way is fire and start over. Bills been doing that since Levy . Time to give a guy 3-4 years. 

I'm leaning towards this as well. We have the luxury to build an O around Allen and Daboll . Go all in with that. Also it'd be good for Allen to have that sustainability at OC and just like you mentioned about teams taking a big step forward in year 2 on offense , same with a rookie QB heading to year 2. No pre draft process ,  which is pretty brutal and requires a great amount of time and energy getting ready for the draft .. Allen will be able to strictly focus on his O and develop chemistry , master the playbook, etc...I anticipate all 4 first rders to make a big leap, they're all struggling at the moment. And you even see them regress a bit as teams have more tape on them. 

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5 hours ago, fridge said:

I actually found McDermott's unprompted self promotion and reminder of his alleged turn arounds to be uncalled for and an attempt to grasp at legitimacy in the NFL. He also mentioned making the playoffs for the first time 18 years. He came off to me as wildly defensive and feeling to need to prove he belongs. It was annoying, but whatever. He knows. They are playing bad in all phases, they're undisciplined, the roster is a joke, there's no half time adjustments, and yet this is somehow the plan? Give me a break.

It was defensive. 

 

That's exactly why I said it was very telling.   It was uncharacteristic of him and speaks volumes.  

 

You can take it as a negative, I do not.   I do not because McD doesn't brag and has no ego.   Even when the team made the playoffs after 20 years.   If it was Marrone, he would have reminded us just like he did about his Green Bay win. 

 

When people who don't brag and have no ego open up, you should probably listen.   It's valuable insight into what makes them tick. 

 

McD has taken a lot of heat this year, and it must be frustrating to be attacked week after week because of the results.   

 

I compare it to having a secret.   You have a secret but you can't tell anyone.  So instead of telling them outright, you drop hints. 

 

The secret is they blew up the roster and they all expected this.  They just can't say it.  So he hints to his past experiences to explain without coming out directly, this was necessary to move forward. 

 

 

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One thing I keep thinking about.

 

If Andy Dalton does not convert that 4th down, would McDermott truly be on the hot seat right now?

 

If the drought was going to extend to 19 years now and this was happening, i have to believe McDermott would be on the way out

 

Andy Dalton will have a profound effect on the state of the Bills for the next 5 years.

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11 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

 

2011

 

The first thing Carolina did was draft a Qb 1st round, Cam Newton. 

 

"The Panthers opened the 2011 season 2–6, but finished with a 6–10record,[37] and Newton was awarded the AP Offensive Rookie of the Year award"

 

What is currently happening in Buffalo is eerily similar to both of McDermotts past turn arounds with previous franchises.  

 

I want to be extremely clear, I in no way believe past experiences are indicative of future results, but find some of these past parallels oddly coincidental.

 

We all know how it turned out for those franchises, maybe, just maybe, we will finally come out on top. 

 

In any case, I absolutely believe what is happening here was planned for and expected.   It isn't a "tank" per se, but it was an expected result. 

Im not seeing the parallel to the Carolina example.

 

The Panthers were worst in the NFL in scoring the year before Cam got there. In his rookie year, they finished the year at 5th in scoring.

 

If you're projecting to next year, I hope so, but there is nothing to indicate a turnaround is coming.

 

And I'm not sure what McD had to do with either of those O's.

 

 

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Got a riddle for you. When is the #16 offense a top ten offense? And the correct answer is "Um, what?" You're talking about the 2016 offense, presumably, and they were the #16 offense, that's a fact.

 

If you're referring to the fact that we were the #10 team at scoring, that's correct, but it's NOT a stat that even comes close to isolating the offense. It's a team stat, maybe 60 - 70% offense but with a ton of contribution from the D and the STs. When the Bills offense scores a pick six, the offense hasn't accomplished anything even if scoring goes up seven points. And when the defense intercepts and returns it to the two yard-line and the offense loses 10 yards and kicks an FG, that looks great for people who think that scoring is an offensive stat. But it's not.

 

 

Sigh.

 

The 2016 team had 46 TD's from the O, with another 3 by the D.

The 2015 team had 42 TD's from the O, with another 3 by the D.

 

This year's team, in year 2 of some silly "rebuild"  has...8 so far.

 

They'll have to step up their game to reach 16.

 

Now, how many years will it take on this rebuild to gat back to scoring between 40 and 45 offensive TD's?

 

3, 5, 10?

 

 

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1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

It was defensive. 

 

That's exactly why I said it was very telling.   It was uncharacteristic of him and speaks volumes.  

 

You can take it as a negative, I do not.   I do not because McD doesn't brag and has no ego.   Even when the team made the playoffs after 20 years.   If it was Marrone, he would have reminded us just like he did about his Green Bay win. 

 

When people who don't brag and have no ego open up, you should probably listen.   It's valuable insight into what makes them tick. 

 

McD has taken a lot of heat this year, and it must be frustrating to be attacked week after week because of the results.   

 

I compare it to having a secret.   You have a secret but you can't tell anyone.  So instead of telling them outright, you drop hints. 

 

The secret is they blew up the roster and they all expected this.  They just can't say it.  So he hints to his past experiences to explain without coming out directly, this was necessary to move forward. 

 

 

 

Not sure I agree with your assumption that he has no ego. I also don't think him being defensive at a press conference after yet another blow out loss should be considered revealing a secret or revealing some plan.

 

Not sure why some are so excited to give these guys the benefit of the doubt. This wasn't this first time we were an "other team pulls off a win away" from the playoffs. It actually just happened last year.

 

Do you know what happens if Baltimore wins that game? Yes, we miss the playoffs, but do you know what it comes down to? Our tie breaker with the Chargers when he put in Peterman. He really was one play away from being an absolute laghing stock, but sure give him the benefit of the doubt.

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1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

It was defensive. 

 

That's exactly why I said it was very telling.   It was uncharacteristic of him and speaks volumes.  

 

You can take it as a negative, I do not.   I do not because McD doesn't brag and has no ego.   Even when the team made the playoffs after 20 years.   If it was Marrone, he would have reminded us just like he did about his Green Bay win. 

 

When people who don't brag and have no ego open up, you should probably listen.   It's valuable insight into what makes them tick. 

 

McD has taken a lot of heat this year, and it must be frustrating to be attacked week after week because of the results.   

 

I compare it to having a secret.   You have a secret but you can't tell anyone.  So instead of telling them outright, you drop hints. 

 

The secret is they blew up the roster and they all expected this.  They just can't say it.  So he hints to his past experiences to explain without coming out directly, this was necessary to move forward. 

 

 

 

 

You give the Regime waaaaaay too much credit.   This is amateur hour at one Bills Drive.  Both guys are in way over their head.  They know it too.  If MCdipshit really didn't have an ego he wouldn't of ran every talented young guy off this team that dared to question the process.  They are running an offense that has a chance to be the worst offense in the Modern Day History of the NFL.  Think about that for a second.   In today's game where the rules are so tilted in the O's favor & serviceable journeymen QBs are throwing for 300 yards + on a regular basis that is unfathomable.  MCD has been beaten by more then 20 points in 9 out of 25 games now.  In an age of parity, simply mind blowing.  There is noway Pegs signed off on this.  I think you got to give team (*^*&%^$^#next year but I don't know.  Might be better to pull the plug after this year.  Not sure what the answer is.  

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11 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

You don't fire a playoff coach after 2 seasons, you have to be more principled than that. McD earned the right to be here for 3 years, firing him would be highly unreasonable. I like what he did on defense, give him 1 more draft and off-season. Leave feelings out of this, McD is 1-1, one good season, one bad season. Give him another year, it's the right thing to do. I'm not optimistic about it, but the data is inconclusive at this point.

These owners fired Rex Ryan during a 7-8 season... after regressing by one win. This regime has already matched the losses for last year and needs to sweep the rest of the games to match last years record.  ...or will there be more blowouts?

 

I'll be shocked if this coaching staff remains intact after this season. Shoot, they may not even survive the bye week if the 3-6 Jets blowout the Bills like the 1-5 Colts did. 

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4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

These owners fired Rex Ryan during a 7-8 season... after regressing by one win. This regime has already matched the losses for last year and needs to sweep the rest of the games to match last years record.  ...or will there be more blowouts?

 

I'll be shocked if this coaching staff remains intact after this season. Shoot, they may not even survive the bye week if the 3-6 Jets blowout the Bills like the 1-5 Colts did. 

You could be right, I would love to get in Terry's mind and just see what he's thinking, it could happen but I think it'd be a mistake.

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Honestly, I don’t blame SM that much.  He is a dime a dozen head coach.  He would be fine in his role.  The problem is he was given way too much power.  The idea of hiring a 1st time head coach before the GM is so completely stupid and I love the Pegulas. 

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5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Sorry but Sean is loser and does not get it,  you need to throw the ball in this league to win.  Just the chatter of Beane talking about bringing back a 31 year old Mccoy next season tells me they want to continue to play caveman football

Sean is a loser (made playoffs in his first year as HC)

 

but hey.....facts you know its hard

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What a lot of fans don't see is this regime has no clue involving offensive talent. This happens with defensive minded head coaches. 

 

Jauron didn't have a clue about how important the offensive line was until he watched the NY Jets NT Kris Jenkins get triple teamed by both the Bills OGs and the center and he STILL sacked the QB! The Bills O line couldn't stop the guy and it caused Skeletor to forget about having nightmare's about Brady throwing TD passes to Randy Moss to having nightmare's of Jenkins sacking the Bills QB. 

 

The very next draft he drafted Eric Woods with a 1st round pick and Andy Levitre with a 2nd round pick. 

 

This FO/coaching staff thought they would be okay after losing Woods, Incognito. They thought Peterman would be a viable starter. :doh:

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11 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

These owners fired Rex Ryan during a 7-8 season... after regressing by one win. This regime has already matched the losses for last year and needs to sweep the rest of the games to match last years record.  ...or will there be more blowouts?

 

I'll be shocked if this coaching staff remains intact after this season. Shoot, they may not even survive the bye week if the 3-6 Jets blowout the Bills like the 1-5 Colts did. 

Yes and that team Rex had was a very talented team

 

so........

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The fact that this team drastically over achieved last year backing into the playoffs with a miracle Dalton throw sent the fanbase into a very unrealistic expectation position. Last year was supposed to be the tank season of the process. Instead it's this year. So in other words the process will now take 4 years instead of 3. If this organization doesn't draft and sign 90% offense, they will lose this fanbase and their jobs.

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7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Yes and that team Rex had was a very talented team

 

so........

John, 2-7...

 

The situation this team is currently in was made by this GM/HC. They had more then enough time to upgrade the offensive line, more then enough time to upgrade the QB situation and they went into this season with some bad players...mostly because they didn't have a clue as to just how bad they would be. 

 

I don't want them picking next years offensive players! 

 

 

Let me just add. This team has a great RB in LeSean McCoy who looks horrid due to bad coaching a 3.1 YPC AVG. Last year with Juan Castillo as line coach/run game coordinator McCoy was at 4.0 YPC AVG. In 2016 under Lynn as RBs coach and Aaron Kromer as line coach McCoy had a 5.4 YPC AVG. 

 

This offensive coaching staff stinks so bad! If McD refuses to make changes then he deserves to go too. 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, Nihilarian said:

John, 2-7...

 

The situation this team is currently in was made by this GM/HC. They had more then enough time to upgrade the offensive line, more then enough time to upgrade the QB situation and they went into this season with some bad players...mostly because they didn't have a clue as to just how bad they would be. 

 

I don't want them picking next years offensive players! 

 

 

All part of the plan

 

Dont like it....find something to do till next year that is what I am doing......a lot of these games I am watching on nfl game pass this year after they have been played.  This team is not winning this year....they do not WANT to win this year.....and we are well on our way to a top 5 pick which is screaming as part of the plan

 

Its painful....it sucks for fans who hate losing....and it is absolutely necessary at this point.

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13 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

Anytime soon. 

 

Just finished watching today's press conference, and I can honestly say, this epic failure was not only predicted by this regime, it was expected. 

 

McDermott gave some telling information today, and I believe the tidbit he dropped is what prompted the Pegulas to hire him. 

 

McDermott made mentions of his usual jibber jabber, then reminded the media that he has been part of not one, but TWO franchise turn around.  His first coming in 99' with Andy Reid and the Eagles, fresh off a 3 win Ray Rhodes season.  His second coming with Ron Rivera, fresh off a John Fox 2 win season. 

 

I remember quite well last year, multiple times McDermott warned the media about the product on the field and not to get carried away as there was plenty of work "ahead " of us. 

 

Let's look at some parallels

 

1999, the first thing Philly did was draft a Qb in the first round. 

 

"In 1999, Pederson was caretaker of the quarterback position until rookie first-round pick Donovan McNabb was ready.

The fans wanted McNabb. Andy Reid didn't. And Pederson struggled.

And it was ugly."

 

"Pederson started the first nine games of the 1999 season, and the Eagles went 2-7 in those games, averaging 11.1 points per game on offense before Pederson was benched in favor of McNabb."

 

Amazing right?   

 

Peterman and Pederson, averaging 11.1 points per game. 

 

2011

 

The first thing Carolina did was draft a Qb 1st round, Cam Newton. 

 

"The Panthers opened the 2011 season 2–6, but finished with a 6–10record,[37] and Newton was awarded the AP Offensive Rookie of the Year award"

 

What is currently happening in Buffalo is eerily similar to both of McDermotts past turn arounds with previous franchises.  

 

I want to be extremely clear, I in no way believe past experiences are indicative of future results, but find some of these past parallels oddly coincidental.

 

We all know how it turned out for those franchises, maybe, just maybe, we will finally come out on top. 

 

In any case, I absolutely believe what is happening here was planned for and expected.   It isn't a "tank" per se, but it was an expected result. 

So what did those teams win exactly. Oh Yea nothing. Thats great were following teams paths to nothingness! Lol

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4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honestly, I don’t blame SM that much.  He is a dime a dozen head coach.  He would be fine in his role.  The problem is he was given way too much power.  The idea of hiring a 1st time head coach before the GM is so completely stupid and I love the Pegulas. 

McD is a very good defensive mind, I think he can build a top 5 defense consistently and I think that's our identity. Nope, we'll never put 50pts on you like the Rams, we would rather hold you to 10pts and beat you by a touchdown. That's the image we're built in, everyone should have known this the second McD was named HC. Just need an offense that can put up 21pts and we can go pretty far.

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6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Sean is a loser (made playoffs in his first year as HC)

 

but hey.....facts you know its hard

They were probably one of the worst playoff teams ever.  Nothing about how they made the playoffs was repeatable this year.  It also goes how insane the drought was because you just occasionally get lucky. 

 

I know it’s hard for Bills fans because we support such a loser franchise but it’s ok to judge a team even they make the playoffs.  Last years team wasn’t close to the best of the drought teams.  But the end result can clouded fans’ judgment.

 

He gets another year but he should be a very hot seat.  There is zero excuse for this unwatchable brand of football.

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

They were probably one of the worst playoff teams ever.  Nothing about how they made the playoffs was repeatable this year.  It also goes how insane the drought was because you just occasionally get lucky. 

 

I know it’s hard for Bills fans because we support such a loser franchise but it’s ok to judge a team even they make the playoffs.  Last years team wasn’t close to the best of the drought teams.  But the end result can clouded fans’ judgment.

 

He gets another year but he should be a very hot seat.  There is zero excuse for this unwatchable brand of football.

It does not matter....why are ppl trying to quantify how making the playoffs is somehow not a big deal for a first year head coach that jettisoned several of its core players?

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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

It does not matter....why are ppl trying to quantify how making the playoffs is somehow not a big deal for a first year head coach that jettisoned several of its core players?

Because it was completely, 100% Luck.  Trust me, I used to love bringing up Jauron’s 13-3, coach of the year season in defending him.

 

this is one of the worst offenses in the history of the nfl in a league where it begs you to score.  SM is on his second OC and has 2 of his hand picked Qbs.  It is a complete disaster.

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8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

All part of the plan

 

Dont like it....find something to do till next year that is what I am doing......a lot of these games I am watching on nfl game pass this year after they have been played.  This team is not winning this year....they do not WANT to win this year.....and we are well on our way to a top 5 pick which is screaming as part of the plan

 

Its painful....it sucks for fans who hate losing....and it is absolutely necessary at this point.

There is NO WAY this was planned. Its ineptitude pure and simple. Why tank this season when they already drafted their franchise QB?

 

Not to mention putting that rookie QB out there behind a bad line with bad coaching, no run game. Drive killing penalties due to lack of discipline. 

 

If this regime starts Allen again it proves it wasn't planned and they are just too stupid to know any better. Why get that rookie QB injured or perhaps concussed like Anderson. It's almost insane! 

 

 

12 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

McD is a very good defensive mind, I think he can build a top 5 defense consistently and I think that's our identity. Nope, we'll never put 50pts on you like the Rams, we would rather hold you to 10pts and beat you by a touchdown. That's the image we're built in, everyone should have known this the second McD was named HC. Just need an offense that can put up 21pts and we can go pretty far.

Bills DC Leslie Frazier can run the Buffalo Bills defense just fine without McD. This franchise needs an offensive mind at the top. 

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10 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

McD has always been here to stay.

 

 

What does that even mean?

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It must be great to reduce everyone's standards and expectations to the absolute worst, and it be OK.

 

if its last season, I'm buying it.  It would be in the best interest to finish low to get the best QB possible in a good QB draft.  Keeping decent veterans was puzzling and kept them from bottoming out, somehow.  And they also got that chubby rock head Kelvin Benjamin

 

They again kept veterans, and refused to get what they can for McCoy and Hughes.  Now the bottom falls out, I am having trouble seeing what the benefit is/was in finishing with a 2-14 record, while building "culture" by playing in like 20 quarters of garbage time (and even having a player quit/retire during the home opener).

 

The team is what they are.  And they are the worst Bills team in my memory (1984 to present).  I am not going to accept that they are "intentionally being terrible" so they can have the pick of the litter between Bosa, Oliver, or the other D-Lineman at the top of the draft who won't change anything with this team.

 

 

Just the way they got "Caught" with Allen, forced to make him the starter after 1 half is enough to make anyone question this "plan" that we are supposed to have faith in.  Its folly.

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2 hours ago, CookieG said:

Im not seeing the parallel to the Carolina example.

 

The Panthers were worst in the NFL in scoring the year before Cam got there. In his rookie year, they finished the year at 5th in scoring.

 

If you're projecting to next year, I hope so, but there is nothing to indicate a turnaround is coming.

 

And I'm not sure what McD had to do with either of those O's.

 

 

 

Sigh.

 

The 2016 team had 46 TD's from the O, with another 3 by the D.

The 2015 team had 42 TD's from the O, with another 3 by the D.

 

This year's team, in year 2 of some silly "rebuild"  has...8 so far.

 

They'll have to step up their game to reach 16.

 

Now, how many years will it take on this rebuild to gat back to scoring between 40 and 45 offensive TD's?

 

3, 5, 10?

 

 

10 years is far too early to judge a GM/HC.

 

You've got to take into account retirements, climate change, games in London shifting the NFL landscape etc.

 

I'm not going to judge this regime until 2030 at the earliest. If things are still looking bleak, I'll be right there with you holding a pitchfork!

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