BillsFan130 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) I understand that this is way down the list in terms of the Bills problems right now, but it still is a problem. I can't remember ever seeing the Bills special teams this bad... -Terrible kick/punt returns -Fumbles/muffs on kickoffs and punts -Blocked punt -Fumbled snap by punter (1 or 2 times, I can't remember) -Lack of communication (When Bojorquez thought it was a fake field goal) -Difficult time covering punts and kickoffs -Dumb and undisciplined penalties -Shanked punts Did I miss anything? Their only somewhat saving grace is Hauschka as that guy is a machine. Not sure if it is coaching, or players, or both, but either way something has to change with this special teams next year Edited November 5, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 the Bills haven't been much of a ST team for 20 years now, a great punter and some decent return men is all they've done at the same time the Pats have always stressed ST for the extra edge it may give every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, row_33 said: the Bills haven't been much of a ST team for 20 years now, a great punter and some decent return men is all they've done at the same time the Pats have always stressed ST for the extra edge it may give every game Ya exactly. Guys like Matthew Slater. They always seem to make a big play on special teams at least once a game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Special teams are a byproduct of the quality of the roster. If you have bad starters, the back up who play ST are going to be even worse... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: Special teams are a byproduct of the quality of the roster. If you have bad starters, the back up who play ST are going to be even worse... Fair points and I would say that’s pretty accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 To be fair, it's a first time head coach and first time GM. When they began assembling their special teams players, no one told them that the players shouldn't be the people on the short bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Is Holmes not a stand out like everyone says he is?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 We should have never fired Danny "Chewing Gum" Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, Lurker said: Special teams are a byproduct of the quality of the roster. If you have bad starters, the back up who play ST are going to be even worse... That is wholly true. However, McD specifically looks for and plays and activates guys who are specifically there for special teams. Taiwan Jones, Andre Holmes, Deon Lacey, etc. He puts a lot of emphasis on them and yet they still suck and are undisciplined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I'm not worried about STs right now, fix our offense first, STs should be the finishing touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Bring back Bobby April Also I think Taiwan Jones being out hurts. And Stanford starting at mike took him out of special teams reps. Jones is the big loss imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Pete Alamar, go get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 53 minutes ago, Lurker said: Special teams are a byproduct of the quality of the roster. If you have bad starters, the back up who play ST are going to be even worse... This is so easily overlooked. Injuries are also a factor. We have had a lot of banged up depth guys who have missed time, and a few starters. We turn over the roster on the bottom end to replenish losses and guys who we rnun through. ST are often WR, DB's, LB's and RB's. We don't have a true backup RB right now because they're both better than McCoy. We have nothing at WR. We have decent depth at DB and none at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 There is really no excuse for this, they save so many roster spots for ST players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Special teams are a byproduct of the quality of the roster. If you have bad starters, the back up who play ST are going to be even worse... While true it doesn't paint a whole picture - Pats ST isn't full of talented players, good ST rosters are filled with many players, most of them solid, who do their jobs and do them well. The Pats offense and defense isn't exactly glaring with talent on either side where depth would extend to the ST squad. While your point is true, I'd argue it's more so the coaching and overall team culture to winning at all levels (offense, defense, and special teams) that creates great special teams rosters/plays. To the OP - I agree our ST has taken a few steps back this year and needs to be addressed, likely with Crossman being shown the door, but we likely get more of a shakedown here moving guys around in the offseason. Edited November 5, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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