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WHO DESERVES THE BLAME?? THE PEGULAS!

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1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

Its better then watching a game of field position and a lot of punts. 

 

Like I said, ADHD.    

 

"Ooh, it's shiny!"

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First, people want a rebuild so we can get off the 7-9 treadmill. Then, they B word when they draft a QB and go through a mere half season of ugly. Then, they completely cast aside that the team actually broke the drought and made the playoffs last year. Fan base? Really? 

 

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25 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Its a shame more football fans aren't hockey fans. Its one of the best sports in the world. Very fast paced sport. 

 

I wonder if its cause its too fast paced for most casual sports fans. There is no break in the action.  Football is very slow paced. You have time to take in the last play. 

 

No, I'd love to watch hockey. It's just not a thing down here. I moved to Georgia when I was 10. I played pee-wee when I was 6, but I don't know the rules. I don't know the strategy. It's fun to watch though. If the Sabres get good, I'd be willing to buy the hockey deal from DirecTv. 

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10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

First, people want a rebuild so we can get off the 7-9 treadmill. Then, they B word when they draft a QB and go through a mere half season of ugly. Then, they completely cast aside that the team actually broke the drought and made the playoffs last year. Fan base? Really? 

 

Go Bills

A lot of you don't get it. Its not that they are losing that is upset them. Its the kind of football that is being played and not being competitive in games is another. In an era where offense is easy to come by and going that many games without a TD is embarrassing. Thats what a lot of fans are upset with. 

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13 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

A lot of you don't get it. Its not that they are losing that is upset them. Its the kind of football that is being played and not being competitive in games is another. In an era where offense is easy to come by and going that many games without a TD is embarrassing. Thats what a lot of fans are upset with. 

We ALL know the 2018 Bills stink!! We all have eyes. There’s no debate. The discussion is whether this is/was a necessary purge to go through in order to get to the other side. One side would’ve preferred it was less ugly. The other side is willing to hold their nose. At this point the milk has already been spilled! 

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1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

A lot of you don't get it. Its not that they are losing that is upset them. Its the kind of football that is being played and not being competitive in games is another. In an era where offense is easy to come by and going that many games without a TD is embarrassing. Thats what a lot of fans are upset with. 

Shhh.  These people only see the world in severe black and white terms.  There is no room for subtlety or sophistication in their thought patterns.  It's part of what makes them knuckle draggers and mouth breathers.

 

You're wasting your keystrokes.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Shhh.  These people only see the world in severe black and white terms.  There is no room for subtlety or sophistication in their thought patterns.  It's part of what makes them knuckle draggers and mouth breathers.

 

You're wasting your keystrokes.

 

 

Right and on the other end of the spectrum we have people that even if the Bills were winning would probably think the other teams were just lulling them into a false sense of security.

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On 11/5/2018 at 10:33 AM, hondo in seattle said:

 

I like ALynn but...   While some guys go to bed fantasizing about Playboy pinups,  McD fantasizes about having Phillip Rivers and a $170 million dollar  roster, instead of trotting out NP and the Bills talent-poor $127 million dollar roster.

 

Yep.   How some posters don't get the difference between Rivers and Allen/Anderson/Peterman is mind boggling...

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4 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  How do you guarantee something that you have no power over?  If you were in the business you could've put your resume into the Bills and actually know it what you are saying is true or not.  I'll give you the old ""if somebody were really capable they would already being doing it" argument.  Let's face it other than a small minority of posters here most are in jobs that would not lead someone to think that they were capable of anything other than the most menial of tasks.  Nobody is a janitor at a school because they choose to do so for the crap pay and dead end prospects.  Get your resume into OBD TODAY!!!!!

 

I would of drafted better then them for the past 20 years if I was in charge.  Maybe not the rounds after round three, but certainly the top two rounds.  A monkey throwing darts at a dart board could of drafted better then them.  I would of stayed away from Maybin, would of took McKinney over Williams, would not of taken Losman or Manuel.  Would not of passed on R Wilson.  Now obviously this just me talking but I was dead set against these moves at the time.  I watch a lot of college football.  I am not an expert, but I like to think I know what I am talking about.

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22 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

I would of drafted better then them for the past 20 years if I was in charge.  Maybe not the rounds after round three, but certainly the top two rounds.  A monkey throwing darts at a dart board could of drafted better then them.  I would of stayed away from Maybin, would of took McKinney over Williams, would not of taken Losman or Manuel.  Would not of passed on R Wilson.  Now obviously this just me talking but I was dead set against these moves at the time.  I watch a lot of college football.  I am not an expert, but I like to think I know what I am talking about.

  On the surface I would agree that at least with the first rounders we could have done better but none of us were in on the analysis, evaluation, and interviews that put the Bills on the course that they followed with each one.  Maybe some of our first rounders would have panned out better if our coaches were more adaptable with players.  Wade Phillips generally fields a pretty good defense wherever he goes.  Too bad things did not work out differently with Wade for us.  He went back to Denver as a DC after some years prior as HC.  Maybe he would have been open to coming back here as a DC after a cooling off period.  Which would not have been long as the guy always seems laid back.  Anyways, I would bet a fair amount is on the coaches we had.  Chan seemed to be adaptable and he did a lot with very little talent. 

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19 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  On the surface I would agree that at least with the first rounders we could have done better but none of us were in on the analysis, evaluation, and interviews that put the Bills on the course that they followed with each one.  Maybe some of our first rounders would have panned out better if our coaches were more adaptable with players.  Wade Phillips generally fields a pretty good defense wherever he goes.  Too bad things did not work out differently with Wade for us.  He went back to Denver as a DC after some years prior as HC.  Maybe he would have been open to coming back here as a DC after a cooling off period.  Which would not have been long as the guy always seems laid back.  Anyways, I would bet a fair amount is on the coaches we had.  Chan seemed to be adaptable and he did a lot with very little talent. 

 

 

The Bills always try to act like they are the smartest guys in the room when they are a joke.  I read reports when the Bills selected Maybin & passed over Orakpo their were GMs openly laughing at that selection.  When it came down to picking Williams over McKinney, McKinney was the smart play.  Here was a guy that never gave up a sack in college, dominated Dwight Freeney at the Orange Bowl the season before.  He was the no brainer pick, but TD was going to show how smart he was.  He took a guy in Big Mike that never played LT in College, had weight problems & had some health issues.  That is just one fine example.

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3 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

The Bills always try to act like they are the smartest guys in the room when they are a joke.  I read reports when the Bills selected Maybin & passed over Orakpo their were GMs openly laughing at that selection.  When it came down to picking Williams over McKinney, McKinney was the smart play.  Here was a guy that never gave up a sack in college, dominated Dwight Freeney at the Orange Bowl the season before.  He was the no brainer pick, but TD was going to show how smart he was.  He took a guy in Big Mike that never played LT in College, had weight problems & had some health issues.  That is just one fine example.

  As I understood it Orakpo did not fit the defense we were running at the time.  McKinney had question marks in terms of attitude and had a couple off field issues when he was with the Vikings.  Not saying Maybin was a great choice and maybe the Bills just should have looked at somebody else.  Why worry about what other people think?  When you do well there still will be people who will be detractors and we know what happens when an obvious foulup happens.  The day when nobody is critical of what a given person does seldom happens.  Believe or not put downs existed before the internet and I remember the Bills put down pretty good during the mid-1980's and the same people were singing the team's praises when we were going to the Super Bowl every year.  Funny how that works.  

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13 minutes ago, Gordio said:

The Bills always try to act like they are the smartest guys in the room when they are a joke.  I read reports when the Bills selected Maybin & passed over Orakpo their were GMs openly laughing at that selection.  When it came down to picking Williams over McKinney, McKinney was the smart play.  Here was a guy that never gave up a sack in college, dominated Dwight Freeney at the Orange Bowl the season before.  He was the no brainer pick, but TD was going to show how smart he was.  He took a guy in Big Mike that never played LT in College, had weight problems & had some health issues.  That is just one fine example.

 

Yeah and that's all on the Bills/owner.  :rolleyes:

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3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah and that's all on the Bills/owner.  :rolleyes:

  Ralph has been gone for years (just saying that makes me realize just how old I am).  Maybe it is time to move on from things we can't change.  I still think adaptable coaches would have made a difference with most of the guys in the period being discussed.   Wade Phillips helped Denver win the SB with a thin defense talent-wise aside from Miller and Ware.  Stocking a team with 22 starting All Pros just does not happen.  At some point it is about the coach making good use of what is in the tool box.

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On 11/7/2018 at 5:04 AM, simpleman said:

Is this sarcasm? Turnaround? From a rock bottom low the Pegula's set.

 

Last year I discussed the Pegula's failures. I compared the Sabres record before they acquired the team and then after. Utter failure. And this year we are only 16 games in and about 50/50 on wins. In the bottom half of the Division. This year it is way too early to see how the team will finish, or call it a turnaround. Getting better from a bar you yourself so low it is set located underground is not a turnaround. 

 

The Pegula's have made horrible coaching / GM choices for both the Sabres and the Bills.

 

And Pegula made his fortune by a lucky break in land / resource speculation. If it had not been for a new technology called fraking being advanced after he bought the speculation contracts, he would not be considered a successful businessman today. He did not gain success from managing a business or manufacturing a product. The Pegula's have definitely not shown an aptitude in their hiring decisions. Although in the Rich Mans owner's club called the NFL, once you are in,  it is hard to not be successful. No matter your business savvy or ineptitude.

 

 

 

Bill Gates wouldn't be successful if it wasn't for a new technology called computers.  Jeff Bezos wouldn't be successful if it wasn't for a new thing called the internet.  And so on.  Smart business people often pounce on emerging opportunities.  

 

Lots of folks saw the potential of fracking (not "fraking").  Only an elite few had the business acumen to build an organization that could take advantage of the opportunity as well as Terry.   It's not like Terry won the lottery because he's the world's luckiest SOB.  Terry saw an opportunity and had the industry know-how, entrepreneurship, and organizational leadership skills to take advantage.

 

The fact that he's a poor public speaker doesn't mean that he's an inept businessman.   He is, however, a relative rookie in the highly competitive field of professional sports.  Just like a rookie QB needs time to learn to play at this level, so does an owner.  Personally, I'm not worried.  

 

Remember it takes time to build a winning organizations and mistakes will inevitably be made.  Eddie DeBartola Jr bought the 49ers in 1977.  He went through 2 or 3 bad coaches and couple losing seasons before he hired Bill Walsh as coach.  Even with Walsh DeBartola suffered through 2 more losing seasons before the Lombardi Trophies started multiplying.  Five of them in all while DeBartola owned the team.    I encourage you to be patient.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah and that's all on the Bills/owner.  :rolleyes:

 

 

Not sure about the Orakpo/Maybin situation but Big Mike was all on Tom Donahue.  He blew that pick big time.  

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If you need to blame someone, why don't we blame the predecessors who handed the current regime a failed organization?

 

It's not as hard to sustain a winning franchise.  It is hard to build one up.  

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23 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Shhh.  These people only see the world in severe black and white terms.  There is no room for subtlety or sophistication in their thought patterns.  It's part of what makes them knuckle draggers and mouth breathers.

 

You're wasting your keystrokes.

 

 

thats hurtful

 

 

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34 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Bill Gates wouldn't be successful if it wasn't for a new technology called computers.  Jeff Bezos wouldn't be successful if it wasn't for a new thing called the internet.  And so on.  Smart business people often pounce on emerging opportunities.  

 

Lots of folks saw the potential of fracking (not "fraking").  Only an elite few had the business acumen to build an organization that could take advantage of the opportunity as well as Terry.   It's not like Terry won the lottery because he's the world's luckiest SOB.  Terry saw an opportunity and had the industry know-how, entrepreneurship, and organizational leadership skills to take advantage.

 

This is pure revisional history. Pegula made his money from land / resource speculation. He bought those contracts before fracking was around and before the discovery of deep layers of the Marcellus Formation, which were subsequently discovered by others and which were found to cover a massive multiple state area. . He did not do the fracking, or make anything. He had nothing to do with developing fracking technology. That all happened long after he acquired the property for conventional drilling speculation, which had turned out to be a failure. He had a lot of worthless contracts he got purely on speculation that he hoped to explore and possibly could drill for gas on, which he discovered he could not.

 Then he lucked out with the development of fracking technology and the discovery of the massive formations of shale that existed not just on his holdings, but over massive areas.* He was simply in the right place at the right time to have his practically worthless contracts he purchased for conventional gas drilling suddenly become viable when  the new fracking technology was developed. He lucked into his fortune. He took a risk and was one of the few who won the lottery, not because of his skills or organizational leadership . He might not have been a Jeff Clampett discovering oil while shooting for some food, but he was no great visionary either.  He was however shrewd enough to realize he had all those previously worthless contacts that suddenly had became highly valuable, and he used his contacts from his past work history to be able to find buyers for them.  Bill gates and Jeff Bezos didn't just luck into their success as speculators, they were true visionaries and entrepreneurs who developed products. They were not failed speculators who got a couple of huge lucky breaks .There is no comparison between the them and Pegula.


* "He profited heavily upon discovery of deep layers of natural gas in the Marcellus Formation and development of the hydraulic fracturing ("fracking") recovery process.[18] Pegula eventually sold the Pennsylvania, New York, and Rocky Mountain assets of the company to Royal Dutch Shell for approximately $4.7 billion.[19] He sold the Ohio and West Virginia assets of the company to American Energy Partners, LP for $1.75 billion in 2014" 


 

 

 

 

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