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WHO DESERVES THE BLAME?? THE PEGULAS!

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8 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

They took a qb with the 7th overall pick this year?!

 

Continually using high draft picks on qbs?! When was the last high pick they used on a qb? Was that Sammy Watkins, CJ Spiller, Donte Whitner?

 

The point was if Allen doesn't work out, we are going to be left to yet again use a high pick on a QB and hope it works out again.  Where else are you going to get a Franchise QB? Free Agency? Trade? Good luck

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Pegulas are also great trolls - PicSix Creative.  Very apropos.

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2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

The Bills roster ( certainly compared to the current mess) was pretty good during the Marrone/ Ryan years with the glaring exception of the QB position. The roster as it stands is an absolute joke. 

Whaley man, Whaley! EJ and Watkins are his legacy that fans kill him for to the day.

 

Dude was a above average QB and coach not named Ryan from good things here. 

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1 hour ago, pop gun said:

IMO the Pegulas were misled and lied to from these two clowns, I guess you could blame them for being nice people that are too naive and gullible.  

 

Or maybe the Pegulas are lousy interviewers who keep getting smitten by neanderthals like Rex & McDermott...football lifers who think that you have to ground and pound in "snowy, blue collar Buffalo." Ugh. Seems to me that the 'K-Gun' operated  just fine in the same stadium. How about the "poor Pegulas" are held accountable here rather than portrayed as victims who were taken by a couple of snake oil salesmen? The Pegs are responsible for getting the right football minds in place. How about starting with an offensive-minded guy who understands that it's the 2018 version of the NFL and not the 1978 version?! You don't need a coach who has to "look at the tape" to understand that. I'm not advocating firings at this point but this front office is doing something far worse than losing...they are causing apathy among their own fan base. Thanks for saving the franchise, Terry & Kim, but the honeymoon is over. Time to start righting the ship and putting this shite show in the rear view mirror. 

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1 hour ago, pop gun said:

IMO the Pegulas were misled and lied to from these two clowns, I guess you could blame them for being nice people that are too naive and gullible.  

Not really. When they fired Whaley Terry said it was because Whaley wouldn't allow him to walk in the building and talk football whenever he wanted to. He said with Beane/McDermott he can just show up and they'll stop what they're doing to talk football with him. Said Whaley made him have appointment. So some of the hiring process is whoever makes them feel good. Same with Rex. Rex was good at talking them up. Some of it has to be on the owners for the type of people they want to hire. They need this kiss ass culture where ownership is worshipped. I can't ever see them hiring a football man who does his job and tells them he's got it. Looking at their hires so far I'd say this is the type of organization they want.

 

Same as Ralph. Same as Jerry Jones. Some owners want credit and could never deal with a coach like Belichick or Jimmy Johnson. A lot of owners are very smart people and just can't imagine something they put so much into is too hard for them to control. They're controlling personalities and in their lives being controlling got them to a position of NFL ownership.

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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Tough times this year.  With respect to the culture stuff that gets criticized around here, go to si.com today and look at the article on the Pats victory yesterday, then read what Dwayne Allen says about the team.  Yep, it's all about culture. 

 

I am as frustrated as anyone with the way they looked yesterday.  People are blasting Peterman again, but he looked like what he is supposed to be yesterday, a backup QB.  When you hit WRs right in the numbers and they can't hold onto the ball, there isn't much you can do.  But he also went brain dead with his run at the end of the half, and that can't be accepted.

 

Despite all the howling at the moon, you cannot just continue to recycle HCs and GMs all the time and ever expect success.  Just won't happen.  The current GM and HC have said continually that the rebuild will take some time.  They're right.  They have to rebuild the O line; yesterday's performance up front was an embarrassment.   They have to find WRs other than Jones that will compete for balls and actually catch balls that hit them right in the hands.  They need to get their young franchise potential QB back on the field. 

 

So this year sucks, but I guess my age and history with the BIlls makes it less painful than for others.  I can still think back to the AFL championships of 1964 and 1965.  But I can also remember the days of Dan Darragh playing QB, or Joe Dufek, or coaches like John Rauch, Jim Ringo, Hank Bulllough.   So I know it can be way worse.

What the current situation reminds me of more than anything was the early 80's, when a young assistant GM named Bill Polian came on board as the new GM.  And the first thing he told Ralph was that he could not win with the players he had, and that he had to start spending money if he wanted to compete.  Even under Polian the first couple years were lean years, but after getting their QB, after drafting well, after judicious trades and FA acquisitions, you all know what happened.

 

Is Beane another Polian?  Or McD another Marv?  Have no way to tell right now.  If you think Beane and McD don't understand they need to do a serious upgrade on the offensive side of the ball, you're being willfully ignorant.  Can they accomplish that?  We will see.  They set themselves up to have a bunch of cap space and a bunch of picks.  It's on them to use them wisely.  if they don't, then they will deservedly be looking for employment down the road.

Truly the best and most intelligent post ever on TBD; thanks again oldmanfan! Remember 1968 and Ed Rutkowski at QB or Hank Bullough as the HC or Stew Barber as GM; if they only knew!

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51 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Exactly. 

 

Note to Terry and Kim:  Anthony Lynn, who wasn't good enough for you, took the mediocre/can't win the big ones Chargers and got them to 9-7 years last season.  This season, they are 6-2 and have only lost to the Rams and Chiefs ... and Lynn's crew are 2-0 against McDermott and his sorry-assed offense.  He did that by building on what he had inherited on both sides of the ball, not tearing everything down to bring in "his guys".

 

I like ALynn but...   While some guys go to bed fantasizing about Playboy pinups,  McD fantasizes about having Phillip Rivers and a $170 million dollar  roster, instead of trotting out NP and the Bills talent-poor $127 million dollar roster.

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Here’s my take: People were exhausted  from finishing 7-9 every year...so people, THIS is what bad looks like! It isn’t pretty!  Train yourself not to get too upset and pray things turn around in the next couple of years. And yes, I said it...this is going to take a couple years or more just to get back to 7-9. There’s a bit more demolition to do before the foundation gets poured! 

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16 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Last year was supposed to be the "tear it down and start the rebuild year" but we finished hot.  So this year serves that purpose.  We had some bad contracts to purge and 50M in dead cap.  How many teams are playoff caliber that have a similar cap problem?  None that I am aware of.  People think that we can get juice from a rock and it ain't happen'ed.  I understand people being upset at another lost season but there is a reason that nearly all of the people here are not working for a NFL team.  If it were as easy as some suggest our problems would have been fixed well before today.  I know that I am going to change very few minds here because it makes people feel good to criticize others without having to come up with real world solutions on their own.

It's fair criticism that the team is horrible. 100% fair. Everyone has an opinion about what should come next, but we all agree this team blows. 

 

I'm not saying its right, fair or optimal. No doubt some choices were made that stink. No doubt some things went the wrong way on the line with players no longer with the team. 

 

I was really just commenting on the ownership approach and what went into the selection of Beane and McDermott. It would be foolish to agree to a plan and bail on the plan when it's working so well that your fan base hates you. Again, that assumes this was all laid out as some, many have suggested. 

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19 minutes ago, billsfan61184 said:

 

The point was if Allen doesn't work out, we are going to be left to yet again use a high pick on a QB and hope it works out again.  Where else are you going to get a Franchise QB? Free Agency? Trade? Good luck

That is the same situation for 32 teams in the league.  Quit making it like the Bills are unique.

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55 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Exactly. 

 

Note to Terry and Kim:  Anthony Lynn, who wasn't good enough for you, took the mediocre/can't win the big ones Chargers and got them to 9-7 years last season.  This season, they are 6-2 and have only lost to the Rams and Chiefs ... and Lynn's crew are 2-0 against McDermott and his sorry-assed offense.  He did that by building on what he had inherited on both sides of the ball, not tearing everything down to bring in "his guys".

  Anthony Lynn still has a lot to prove.  The Chargers have had periods where they were a great regular season team only to have done nothing in the playoffs.  As it stands today I don't see them getting past KC or NE in the playoffs.  If a championship is the measuring stick then I don't see where they have accomplished their mission.

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41 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I actually hope they told them to expect a really bad team, because if they thought this team was going to be good, I would be worried about their assessment of talent.

So if he told the Pegulas that what did he tell Kyle Williams that enticed him to come back? 

 

Somebody lied to somebody along the way and my money is on McBeane!

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1 minute ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I like ALynn but...   While some guys go to bed fantasizing about Playboy pinups,  McD fantasizes about having Phillip Rivers and a $170 million dollar  roster, instead of trotting out NP and the Bills talent-poor $127 million dollar roster.

 

Yes but this was what Mcdermott brought on himself! He is the one who decided to release Tyrod and move on with no clear answer for the next year. He and Beane decided not to fill the holes made by departures of Wood and Incgonito. They decided to trade away Sammy and Darby and not re-sign Robert Woods.  He decided to have a 3 man competition of Allen, Peterman, and McCaron.  Mcdermott decided Peterman was the best of the 3. Peterman couldn't win against UB yet alone ANY NFL team. If we can all see it and Mcdermott couldn't then and he has no choice but to play him now, in my eyes he brought this all on himself and covered it up by calling it a "re-build"

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9 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It's fair criticism that the team is horrible. 100% fair. Everyone has an opinion about what should come next, but we all agree this team blows. 

 

I'm not saying its right, fair or optimal. No doubt some choices were made that stink. No doubt some things went the wrong way on the line with players no longer with the team. 

 

I was really just commenting on the ownership approach and what went into the selection of Beane and McDermott. It would be foolish to agree to a plan and bail on the plan when it's working so well that your fan base hates you. Again, that assumes this was all laid out as some, many have suggested. 

  Anybody can see that the team is terrible (well, not the defense) but is the team heading in the right direction or do we have reason to believe they are heading in the right direction?  I think that the plan went a little different than expected so we are paying for a rebuild this year versus last year.  Let's see how they use their first 3 picks in 2019 and some of that 90 million dollars before we jump off of the bridge.

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1 hour ago, pop gun said:

IMO the Pegulas were misled and lied to from these two clowns, I guess you could blame them for being nice people that are too naive and gullible.  

 

I have a very hard time believing that Terry and Kim, who have been very successful in business, are "naive and gullible."   They see what's going on.  Bean has not been a disaster, he has brought in talent (Edmunds, Phillips, White, Hyde, etc.).  MCD has zero help on offense.  The biggest failing is the failure to get good coaches for the  QB, OL and OC. 

 

 

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McD's assistant trying to schedule Coach's coffee with Terry this morning is going something like this I imagine: 

 

ron swanson spinning GIF

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27 minutes ago, pop gun said:

So if he told the Pegulas that what did he tell Kyle Williams that enticed him to come back? 

 

Somebody lied to somebody along the way and my money is on McBeane!

No one lied.  Quit acting like a three year old.

26 minutes ago, billsfan61184 said:

 

Yes but this was what Mcdermott brought on himself! He is the one who decided to release Tyrod and move on with no clear answer for the next year. He and Beane decided not to fill the holes made by departures of Wood and Incgonito. They decided to trade away Sammy and Darby and not re-sign Robert Woods.  He decided to have a 3 man competition of Allen, Peterman, and McCaron.  Mcdermott decided Peterman was the best of the 3. Peterman couldn't win against UB yet alone ANY NFL team. If we can all see it and Mcdermott couldn't then and he has no choice but to play him now, in my eyes he brought this all on himself and covered it up by calling it a "re-build"

OK, enough of this nonsense. Some of the issues ae on them but some of the stuff here is just pure nonsense.  One by one:

 

1.  They released Tyrod because they felt he was not the kind of QB to get them where they wanted to go, and to pay 16 million for a backup is ridiculous. They should have brought a veteran in to back up Allen when they traded McCarron; that even Beane has said he regrets.  That is one them, as it as starting Peterman game 1.  

 

2.  Wood:  they had Groy who they felt was an adequate replacement based on his play a couple years ago.  They brought in Bodine.  There simply aren't that may good centers around the league, and Groy for whatever reason didn't come close to meeting expectations.  And Richie went nuts. 

 

3.  Sammy, Darby, Woods:  They did not fail to resign Woods, that was Whaley.  Beane wasn't even here.  They traded Sammy because they did not see paying a guy the kind of money he wanted.  He didn't earn that kind of money in LA, the Rams didn't think so either.  Darby isn't lighting the world on fire in Philly.

 

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2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Maybe you should wait a little while before proclaiming that the Sabres have turned it around.  After all, it's not hard to show improvement, when you were so bad the prior year.  Come talk to me when they have made the playoffs in a league where it shouldn't be that hard to achieve that(half the teams make the playoffs), but somehow the Sabres under the Pegula's have been a train wreck since they took over.

 

As of right now, as owners of the Bills and Sabres, they have shown NOTHING in terms of being competent owners, except their willingness to spend a lot of money.  Excuse me if I want more out of my local sports teams.

 

No one should be mad about Peterman.  Instead direct your anger at the buffoon of a HC who keeps trotting him out there, and the clueless owners who hired said HC.

 

Sounds good, I'll come talk to you in a few months when they make the playoffs. Perhaps you should grab a beer and enjoy the game Thursday night. Because based on your comments you haven't seen a Sabres game all season. This team is hardly a train wreck any more.

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I think the short sighted gents and ladies on here need to calm down a little bit. 

This season blows.. We knew it would. 

They ignored the offense. Yes. Basically on purpose. 

All their plans have not worked out, understood. 

But with the cap and draft next year (I know the 10 picks don’t mean much since the extras are later rounds) 

there is no reason these guys can’t upgrade the talent all across the board on offense. 

No matter your hate, frustration whatever the ENTIRE organization and their success is all on Allen developing. 

Beane and McDermotts jobs are linked to Allen’s success. 

Firing anyone now or in the offseason is just not good. 

You can argue maybe crossman Castillo or Frazier. 

But the others should be safe. 

In the end, this is either a playoff contender for years to come, or another rebuild in 3 years. 

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1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I have a very hard time believing that Terry and Kim, who have been very successful in business, are "naive and gullible."   They see what's going on.  Bean has not been a disaster, he has brought in talent (Edmunds, Phillips, White, Hyde, etc.).  MCD has zero help on offense.  The biggest failing is the failure to get good coaches for the  QB, OL and OC. 

 

 

If you think the biggest problem with the OL is coaching, you need to open your eyes.  They are beyond bad, and that falls in the laps of Beane and McClappy, or whomever is making the personnel decisions.

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1 hour ago, CuddyDark said:

Not really. When they fired Whaley Terry said it was because Whaley wouldn't allow him to walk in the building and talk football whenever he wanted to. He said with Beane/McDermott he can just show up and they'll stop what they're doing to talk football with him. Said Whaley made him have appointment. So some of the hiring process is whoever makes them feel good. Same with Rex. Rex was good at talking them up. Some of it has to be on the owners for the type of people they want to hire. They need this kiss ass culture where ownership is worshipped. I can't ever see them hiring a football man who does his job and tells them he's got it. Looking at their hires so far I'd say this is the type of organization they want.

 

Same as Ralph. Same as Jerry Jones. Some owners want credit and could never deal with a coach like Belichick or Jimmy Johnson. A lot of owners are very smart people and just can't imagine something they put so much into is too hard for them to control. They're controlling personalities and in their lives being controlling got them to a position of NFL ownership.

 

So, if your boss walks into your office and wants to talk about your job with you....do you tell him to make an appointment?

 

:lol:

 

You're sliding off into moron oblivion, man.

 

 

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Look at the Sabres. They are the worst team in the NHL since the Pegulas bought them. Maybe they are aiming for the same with the Bills. 

 

Having money does not mean you know how to run a sports franchise. 

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2 hours ago, Woodman19 said:

The blame lay with the previous regime who capped us out being an 8-8 team.  Yes, we could have rebuilt slower and maintained a 7-9 type team to make everyone feel better but we chose to bite the bullet and take our medicine to fix it in one go.  This off-season is going to be what makes or breaks this regime since they will have the cap room, young players and surplus draft picks 

This. We could have kept Tyrod for another two years and backed into a wild card loss or two. But we weren't getting any further than that.

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3 hours ago, billsfan61184 said:

This is my first post

 

Wow!    Cool story, 'bro.

 

One and done...     

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Who deserves blame?  It starts from the top down. Yes, the Pegulas. They've been the owners for 4 years now with only 1 winning season, and overall for the 4 yrs,

an overwhelming losing record.

 

But the Pegulas are only partly the blame.The front office is, especially the decision-making during this past off-season for not getting better players in positions

that glaringly needed upgrading ,O-line, WR, & a veteran QB to keep. And, of course, the players. The defense is doing a good job, especially in light of the impotent

offense. But also, the coaches, especially on offense & spec teams are not cutting it either.

 

This is why, once again, we're playing basically pre-season football for the final 8 games because those games really don't count for anything, except for getting a little

playing experience for the younger guys. It's Groundhog Day all over again.

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