BillsFan1988 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 11 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient Stop giving these guys a excuse of a tank. This is not in anyway shape or form a tank. Not by purpose not at all. Even if by some chance it was you shouldnt look this bad as a team. McBeane need to go.................. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 12 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient Gruden is doing it better. McDermott sucks at sucking. Why does he want a top 5 pick, is he afraid he'd screw up the #1 and get run out of town? Your Polly Anna views have polluted this board for many years. Please, grow a set and for once in your life tell people what you really think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Gruden is doing it better. McDermott sucks at sucking. Why does he want a top 5 pick, is he afraid he'd screw up the #1 and get run out of town? Your Polly Anna views have polluted this board for many years. Please, grow a set and for once in your life tell people what you really think. Can we all get together for a side hug here fellas" Yes, this season is LOST. But to reiterate not a purposeful tank from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, ALF said: It's next to impossible to develop and evaluate a QB with the present O and coaching. Would Aaron Rogers have a better record here and still be in one piece? The D is on the right track , but building a OL takes time and a good coach. This is exactly right! Where is the good coaching on the Buffalo Bills coaching staff? Building an offense takes good coaching and looking at the decisions made by this team nobody on the offensive side looks to be competent enough to do that. Who told the HC that Peterman would be a solid a starter for the season while the rookie watches? What on gods green earth is Josh Allen going to learn from Peterman...except on what no to do? Penalties have plagued the team all year and the Bears game was no different with 10-163 yards. 2018, 70 penalties for 642 yards. 39 on offense, 19 on defense, 12 on special teams. Who told the HC that the offensive line would be okay with the current players on the roster before the season started? Because they are not even close to okay and steps should have been made to upgrade that line especially going into a season with an inexperienced QB in Peterman and more importantly, a rookie in Josh Allen. This is thorough incompetence at its best. The GM and HC should have known better and even though Beane is a rookie GM he doesn't get a pass for this offensive mess. How is this any different from what Whaley did to EJ? Brining in a QB coach who has previously never been a QB coach is just about as bad as not hiring one at all. No veteran QB on the roster until almost halfway through the season. Hiring an offensive coordinator who has been in the NFL for 5 years on four teams and never fielded an offense better then 23rd of of 32. Rick Dennison was a better choice as at least he didn't completely kill that #1 Bills running game and at least that 2017 offense scored 28 TDs. In 9 games so far the 2018 Buffalo Bills have only 7 TDs and 5 of those are by Josh Allen, 2 passing, 3 rushing. What does that tell you about this years offense? Bottom line is I don't trust this regime to build top offense or develop that rookie QB and like the Bears and Rams they need to fire this HC and bring an really good offensive mind to fix this offensive mess. Shame, because I like McD. He has just made some serious mistakes that you mostly don't survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 13 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient For Who. What player do they want that they need a top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKBills25 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 You still need free agency to help ?♂️ You gotta make some moves , and honestly so far thru trades and draft trades it’s been a fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: Keep the talent they have and add to it. Not try and win with defense and field position. So they should add to their talent, but doing so through high draft picks and FA won’t work. Got it, brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 13 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient Sorry John. There is no way in hell that this is playing out as they planned. You don't plan on being epically bad. If they wanted to tank, they would have done it last year. So they could have their choice of quarterbacks. They didn't because McDermott still believes attitude trumps elite talent. You are witnessing a staff of employees who are failing very badly at their primary job duties. I blame it on McBeane's misjudgement of talent - of players and coaches. They effed up. BAD. This team sucks donkey balls. It is absolutely laughable that people are still making excuses for a coaching staff that created this level of trainwreck. There is no denying this coaching staff has failed miserably this year. Becoming the NFL's new "Cleveland - a.k.a. laughing stock" was not in their plans. During the games at the stadium they should play background music when the BIlls are on offense "the theme song from looney tunes cartoons". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 13 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: 90 million and a top 5 pick isnt going to turn around this team anytime soon. If they make the right choices it will. They need to hit on 2 Oline. 2 WRs and a backup QB We showed the ability to win before Allen went down. Even with him being so raw teams have to respect his arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugashane69 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 14 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Filling your team with overpaid free agents isn’t the way to build a winning football team. Not only that but WHO WILL BE WILLING TO COME HERE???? Yea money talks but most guys would turn us down to go to a "contender" ..... I dont know of them all but I'm sure there is a good list for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I remember when the "Suck for Luck" campaign was in full force and people all over this board were talking about how lucky the Colts were with going from Peyton, to one terrible year, to Luck. Now, the Bills have one really terrible year when they've shed Cap strapping players, have a top tier Defense and will be able to Draft high and spend in FA, and people are losing their minds? I mean, really? I'm all for demanding more, but within reason. For example, I demand KB to not be a disengaged, lazy, self-entitled pile of poo and for receivers to catch the ball and for players to play with passion. But, I can't ask a WR to run a 4.3 when he's 30 when he ran a 4.5 when he was 20....or to make contested catches, when he's never done that his whole career or for Shady to beat back Father Time when no one wins that race....basically, if you didn't know this was going to be an ugly year, then you deluded yourself into thinking something it wasn't. Bills need a total rebuild on Offense some key pieces on Defense. They need to show drastic improvement next year, but it probably won't be a complete picture until 2020, if we're being honest. 2019 is to get the Offensive pieces around Allen: C / RT / WR1 / WR2 / another TE and depth at G, along with CB2 and OLB. But those are big pieces that will need to be playing together to gel.....I can see them getting it done, but it will take a bit for all those pieces to come together. Plus 2020 to continue to get deeper to insulate against injuries at those positions. That said, McD needs to show he can improve the Offense drastically and at least maintain the Defense overall and I think both will occur. But if not, he gets his walking papers at the end of the 2019 season. In today's NFL culture, three full years is reasonable. Anything less is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 14 hours ago, John from Riverside said: This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient I don't necessarily believe that this is an "intentional" tank, I honestly think we are this bad. That being said, I don't think the powers that be are too concerned with getting better this year, which makes me believe they are comfortable that their jobs are safe. Most everyone is aware that a top 5 pick in the first round is valuable, even if we will not likely draft a QB next year, but the best part is having a top 5 pick in every round gives us so much more flexibility for trade, picks, etc... I know we are all sick of saying "wait til next year" but unfortunately, it is all we have at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 What they should have done is spent more of what little money that had on better O Line and some speed on offense. They should have made sure they had a veteran qb in to start day 1 and not wasted valuable camp snaps by giving Allen as much work as possible so his transition would be easier. Instead they paid out money for older defensive players. They roll out the qb behind a line that cant pass protect, cant get a push in run blocking and is not athletic enough to even run screens or any outside runs.. Beane traded away assets and put all his eggs into Josh Allen but gave him absolutely no shot at success . Beane basically sold the car for gas money Instead they tried to shore up the defense to make McDermott look good. Murphy, Lorax, Kyle W will be gone and we'll be rebuilding the D line before they even fix the offense. Perpetual Bills hot pile of steaming turds they keep serving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 hours ago, DKBills25 said: You still need free agency to help ?♂️ You gotta make some moves , and honestly so far thru trades and draft trades it’s been a fail correct, you need free agency, whether you can get any free agents to show up and help is another issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 hours ago, #34fan said: Nonsense. If that was McBeane's plan, -why not get it done in season 1 when it would have at least been forgivable? If they planned this out, why drag Anderson off the coach in week 6 to "mentor" Josh Allen all of a sudden? At best, you can say McBeane underestimated the size of the rebuild they're attempting.... At worst, you can accuse these two of being dangerously out of touch with reality. Personally, I think it's a little of both... I've been saying this for months. You don't "plan" to "tank" in year two. You do it year one and start rebuilding as soon as you can. And if you do it in year two you don't beg Kyle Williams to come back for one more year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: I've been saying this for months. You don't "plan" to "tank" in year two. You do it year one and start rebuilding as soon as you can. And if you do it in year two you don't beg Kyle Williams to come back for one more year. Well said. The "they planned to do it" narrative is hilarious. Is there even evidence of an NFL team doing this wit success? The Browns are still terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I've been saying this for months. You don't "plan" to "tank" in year two. You do it year one and start rebuilding as soon as you can. And if you do it in year two you don't beg Kyle Williams to come back for one more year. I would bet any amount of money that McDermott and Beane expected this team to be better this year than they were a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 15 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient It's funny because people have been saying we need to bottom out for years. All of a sudden, we are actually bottoming out and now people act like the sky is falling. It's almost like people want to us to be 7-9 every year. The Bills already have half of the equation- the defense. With a ton of money to spend, some high draft picks, and Allen having a year under his belt...the offensive turnaround should be pretty sharp when it comes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, berg1029 said: It's funny because people have been saying we need to bottom out for years. All of a sudden, we are actually bottoming out and now people act like the sky is falling. It's almost like people want to us to be 7-9 every year. The Bills already have half of the equation- the defense. With a ton of money to spend, some high draft picks, and Allen having a year under his belt...the offensive turnaround should be pretty sharp when it comes Bottoming out is an NBA strategy. It's not something that has much of a track record in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: So, using the 12th, 53rd and 56th picks on the offense is neglecting it? 'Cause those three picks and Cordy Glenn besides were all traded for the pick we used on Josh Allen. We didn't neglect the offense at all. Getting your franchise QB (we hope) is pretty much the opposite of neglect. But apart from that, yeah, they spent most of the rest of their draft and cap resources on the defense. This early in a rebuild, especially a rebuild that starts with cap trouble, you aren't going to be able to fill all the holes. That's just the way it works. People get all pissed that we didn't spend more resources on the offense. If we had, the defense would be a lot worse. Would it really have been that much more satisfying to have a poor offense and a poor defense, both? Not for me. At least I can see good football when the D is on the field. The Bucs picked 53rd and Pats picked 56th. No offensive picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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