apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: For 1 year... Is Mcd overachieving this year? What does 2017 mean at this point? I dont even think McD should get the credit anymore for overachieving co soldering what we have seen of him since and the fact that he did it after throwing a game by making Peterman the starter for half the Chargers game. I think the players deserve the credit for overachieving and overcoming McDermott......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said: The problem with rebuilding is pretty simple, the people who think it's a viable winning strategy suck at actually putting together a team. We'll have to see where Gruden is in two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: You honestly care after watching this crap game after game that we don’t have the longest playoff drought? Especially since they didnt even really show up to the game so it just relayed the offseason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonadguy Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Julio Hopkins said: The problem with rebuilding is pretty simple, the people who think it's a viable winning strategy suck at actually putting together a team. 100 percent true. Anyone can tear down a roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulful Soul Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: McD had to turn the season around to get the team there. Cry about it. Gruden is also rebuilding the team. You don't like McD, you didn't like Rex, to my recollection you didn't like Marrone. That's because every coach since Phillips as SUCKED! Greggles, Mularkey, Jauron, Gailey, Marrone, Rya, and now this super genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Greybeard said: This is an interesting post considering they made the playoffs last year, Do you think the current players are happy and would stay here if they had a choice seeing the front office and coaching staff made them worse and continued to cut down the team after they made the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 30 minutes ago, bostonadguy said: There’s just no excuse getting rid of good players who can accelerate your rebuild. We got our quarterback but we didn’t have to be this bad. Its difficult enough for someone who's good at offense to rebuild, an Andy Reid when you strip all of its talent, a guy who knows what to look for in an offensive player and knows his vision for the offense. Its exponentially more difficult when you're trying to do it with 2 rookie talent evaluators, with no track record, whose forte is the other side of the ball. Starting with the D first makes it that much worse. Carrying the "we want our guys" just adds more to the steep hill they've chosen to climb. "We know better than everyone else" makes it pretty insurmountable. A few extra late round draft choices aren't going to help this offense. These guys aren't going to be picking up many late round gems for the O. Nor will a ton of cap space, when they haven't shown the ability to identify talent on that side of the ball. And you're right...it didn't need to be like this. Out of the "rebuilds" on the O, this might have been one of the easier ones for the drought teams. They chose the most difficult path. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonadguy Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, CookieG said: Its difficult enough for someone who's good at offense to rebuild, an Andy Reid when you strip all of its talent, a guy who knows what to look for in an offensive player and knows his vision for the offense. Its exponentially more difficult when you're trying to do it with 2 rookie talent evaluators, with no track record, whose forte is the other side of the ball. Starting with the D first makes it that much worse. Carrying the "we want our guys" just adds more to the steep hill they've chosen to climb. "We know better than everyone else" makes it pretty insurmountable. A few extra late round draft choices aren't going to help this offense. These guys aren't going to be picking up many late round gems for the O. Nor will a ton of cap space, when they haven't shown the ability to identify talent on that side of the ball. And you're right...it didn't need to be like this. Out of the "rebuilds" on the O, this might have been one of the easier ones for the drought teams. They chose the most difficult path. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greybeard Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Do you think the current players are happy and would stay here if they had a choice seeing the front office and coaching staff made them worse and continued to cut down the team after they made the playoffs? I don't think they are happy, not many enjoy losing, even if they are paid big money. I still say this is the Process. Last year the Process got derailed by winning. When that happened, instead of getting their QB with their high pick, they had to trade away all their draft capital to draft one. That meant a lot less players. I was supposed to be one bad year, a slightly better year and then in the third year they would have the talent drafted and go big in the free agent market, which is also after they cleared all the cap room. It is just the plan didn't work out. They won more games than they should have last year and had things make them a lot less competitive this year than they thought they would be. It wasn't the plan to get blown out. Just loose close games. The big worry here is if they are capable of evaluating talent. Gruden is doing the exact same thing. Lucky for him, they will be in a different city when the push to win comes. A new city probably gives him an extra year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 59 minutes ago, bostonadguy said: The biggest problem you have with tearing down a roster and getting rid of good players is that by becoming so non-competitive, the players remaining get comfortable with losing and you breed a losing culture and undermine what you are trying to do in the first place. It seems all they care about is high character guys and not football players. You kind of need both. if McDermott and Beane aren’t careful, they won’t last long enough for the rebuild. For the millionth time, there is absolutely no evidence that Brandon Beane or Sean McDermott are emphasizing character over talent. NONE. All of the players who were traded away (outside of possibly Marcel Dareus), were shipped off to obtain draft picks, clear cap space or because they just didn't fit the defensive scheme we wanted to run. Not because of character reasons. Dareus was getting paid $16 million per year, and hadn't played well for us... pretty much since the day he signed the contract. One more off-field problem, and he was likely getting suspended for an entire NFL season. That's a guy taking up the salary of 3-4 starting players, contributing virtually nothing to this team. His character issues were the icing on the cake, but not the primary reason for us getting rid of him. Our front office stood by Zay Jones during his incident this offseason. They have stood by Shady during his ex-girlfriend's accusations, and likely bypassed opportunities to trade him last week. Until he retired, they had no problem keeping Ritchie Incognito on the roster - and he's one of the craziest players the NFL has seen in the last decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, Greybeard said: I don't think they are happy, not many enjoy losing, even if they are paid big money. I still say this is the Process. Last year the Process got derailed by winning. When that happened, instead of getting their QB with their high pick, they had to trade away all their draft capital to draft one. That meant a lot less players. I was supposed to be one bad year, a slightly better year and then in the third year they would have the talent drafted and go big in the free agent market, which is also after they cleared all the cap room. It is just the plan didn't work out. They won more games than they should have last year and had things make them a lot less competitive this year than they thought they would be. It wasn't the plan to get blown out. Just loose close games. The big worry here is if they are capable of evaluating talent. Gruden is doing the exact same thing. Lucky for him, they will be in a different city when the push to win comes. A new city probably gives him an extra year. A 10 year guaranteed $100 mil contract gives him an extra year........ It's hilarious that so many believe that being successful and making the playoffs is a setback for a franchise. If these guys were competent and actually good at their jobs, they would have been able to build off of what they had, instead they continued to want to get rid of talent they didnt hand pick, collect cap space and draft picks, and make the team worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, bostonadguy said: There’s just no excuse getting rid of good players who can accelerate your rebuild. We got our quarterback but we didn’t have to be this bad. And who exactly did they get rid of? Please enlighten us on the good players we “got rid of”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Problem with the proccess is it has to work on both sides of the ball. With McD your going to have a good defense. He schemes well and can find talent anywhere in the draft. Problem is its an offensive league an all the good ocs are going to get hc jobs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Jesus dude it meant that we no longer have the longest playoff drought in the league. He's obviously not overachieving this year. Next offseason is the money shot. instead, now we have the worst performing offense in modern history. didn't we say "next off season", at the end of last season...? everyone pointed at the previous QB for crippling this offense. now that he's gone, who's to blame, since the offense this year is far worse than last year's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, 87168 said: instead, now we have the worst performing offense in modern history. didn't we say "next off season", at the end of last season...? everyone pointed at the previous QB for crippling this offense. now that he's gone, who's to blame, since the offense this year is far worse than last year's? I genuinely do not care because it makes sure that we wont Bills this up and go 7-9. Once playoffs are gone, high draft picks are what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I genuinely do not care because it makes sure that we wont Bills this up and go 7-9. Once playoffs are gone, high draft picks are what matters. oh we're playing for picks still. i forgot. from playoffs, to tanking for picks. gotta love this new approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Look, if it wasn't clear to you that this year would be a step back, I don't know what to tell you. I didn't think it would be this bad, but this year was always about getting rid of dead cap and seeing what we had for 2019. I was actually impressed with some of Daboll's playcalling, but he's handcuffed by some truly awful QB play in Peterson and Anderson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, bostonadguy said: The biggest problem you have with tearing down a roster and getting rid of good players is that by becoming so non-competitive, the players remaining get comfortable with losing and you breed a losing culture and undermine what you are trying to do in the first place. It seems all they care about is high character guys and not football players. You kind of need both. if McDermott and Beane aren’t careful, they won’t last long enough for the rebuild. Yes you do but you have to lay a foundation of young players down first. Look at Philly and the Rams. You have to have a lot of young players drafted first for what you want to build and GMs are clearing the players that don't fit to gain the draft capital to do so. It's a strategy that I'm aboard with. Winning this season was not a priority. Development is and should be with a team that was injected with a lot of young players at key positions. That's all that matters this season. Unfortunately, some of them have been hurt but hopefully they get back out their soon. That's the future. Look past today and see that the process takes time. The high pick this season will be very interesting come offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said: if youre defending Rex you lose all credibility As it turns out, Rex is a better head coach. I know that is not a popular opinion on this board, but I really don't care. Unfortunately, we are stuck with McClappy . . . at least for the time being. Edited November 4, 2018 by Peter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Peter said: As it turns out, Rex is a better coach. I know that is not a popular opinion on this board, but I really don't care. Unfortunately, we are stuck with McClappy . . . at least for the time being. it's not, but I wholeheartedly agree. I really don;t understand why people are so high on McD and his vague speech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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