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Sammy Watkins Admits to an "Ego Problem" When He First Came into the League

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4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Didn't miss any time due to injury last season and none so far this year. 

He missed a game and a half with a concussion last year and hasnt played a full season since his rookie year.   Missed an average of 4 games a season over the last three years. 

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7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

If you honestly think Sammy Freaking Watkins was the catalyst for all this change you're truly the President of the Sammy Watkins Fan Boy Club.

 

Rams points/ game pre Sammy: 14

points/game with Sammy: 29.9

Also: Drafted Cooper Kupp, Signed Robert Woods, and replaced their idiot head coach with a great offensive minded head coach who had a 2nd year quarterback and not a rookie.

 

chiefs points/ game pre Sammy: 25.9

points/ game with Sammy: 36.3

Also: Have an incredibly gifted quarterback who actually throws to his wideouts rather than using tight ends and backs like Alex Smith.  They are also throwing the ball more this year with Mahomes. 

 

bills points/ game with Sammy in his last year here:  24.9

bills points/ game after Sammy left: 18.9

Also: Watkins played a total of 8 games the year you're trying to make a point about here, 8!  Not for nothing they also won two more games without him the following year, and made the playoffs.  But lets not "oversimplify" things.

 

I also didnt make it all about touchdowns so give me a break on the Julio Jones stuff.  If you want to use Jones, who is on pace for 120 catches and 1866 yards this season, to make your point about Watkins and his maybe 69 catches and 915 yards, be my guest.

 

My point is Sammy Watkins is not elite.  He is much closer to players like Randall Cobb or Pierre Garcon than his fan boys want to admit.  Fine players, but guys who need to be paid between 9 and 10 million a year, and not the bs 16 million the Chiefs gave Watkins.

They averaged 23 the last year he was fully healthy here.

 

but again, Bills fans >>>> Reid, McVay. Our offense clearly improved without Sammy. So happy he is gone so I can watch Benjamin’s sun dial speed routes.

 

also, Gilmore sucks according to fans here.  So Bills fans >>>> Belichick 

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5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

He missed a game and a half with a concussion last year and hasnt played a full season since his rookie year.   Missed an average of 4 games a season over the last three years. 

 

He missed only one game last season (with 15 games played) and that's when the Rams rested their starters in week 17.

 

Sammy Watkins Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

They averaged 23 the last year he was fully healthy here.

 

but again, Bills fans >>>> Reid, McVay

 

also, Gilmore sucks according to fans here.  So Bills fans >>>> Belichick 

You're making a lot of assumptions here my friend.  I think Reid is maybe one of the most underrated coaches in the league, and has been for a long time.  I also love what McVay has done in LA.   I also dont think Gilmore sucks, and never have.  

 

What I am trying to say is this.  Sammy Watkins is not worth 16 million dollars a year.  He is often injured and is way closer to a third tier wideout in this league than he is an elite talent.    I think its also a bit of a falsity to keep saying McVay wanted him.  Yes they did sign him, but they also didnt resign him, so in that sense McVay is also one of the coaches who didnt want him.

 

You're also incorrect on the 23 pts/gm the last time he was fully healthy here.  He was only "fully healthy" here one time, his rookie season.  They averaged 21 points a game that year. 

 

Agree to disagree I guess.  But I feel like this argument, and not just with you, is more about how fans feel about the Bills and McBeane in particular, than it is about the simple truth about Sammy Watkins, which is this.  The guy is a high first round draft bust who never lived up to his potential in the league.  Given his draft status he should be putting up elite numbers.  Instead he is a #2 wideout in the league. 

 

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He missed only one game last season (with 15 games played) and that's when the Rams rested their starters in week 17.

 

Sammy Watkins Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Understood.  I thought I remembered him being knocked out of a game with a concussion last year.  However, if he misses time with this foot injury is it not fair to say he has missed time in the majority of the seasons he has played in?

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1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

You're making a lot of assumptions here my friend.  I think Reid is maybe one of the most underrated coaches in the league, and has been for a long time.  I also love what McVay has done in LA.   I also dont think Gilmore sucks, and never have.  

 

What I am trying to say is this.  Sammy Watkins is not worth 16 million dollars a year.  He is often injured and is way closer to a third tier wideout in this league than he is an elite talent.    I think its also a bit of a falsity to keep saying McVay wanted him.  Yes they did sign him, but they also didnt resign him, so in that sense McVay is also one of the coaches who didnt want him.

 

You're also incorrect on the 23 pts/gm the last time he was fully healthy here.  He was only "fully healthy" here one time, his rookie season.  They averaged 21 points a game that year. 

 

Agree to disagree I guess.  But I feel like this argument, and not just with you, is more about how fans feel about the Bills and McBeane in particular, than it is about the simple truth about Sammy Watkins, which is this.  The guy is a high first round draft bust who never lived up to his potential in the league.  Given his draft status he should be putting up elite numbers.  Instead he is a #2 wideout in the league. 

 

The best offensive coaches want Sammy.  The worst offense in the nfl didn’t want him.

 

he has his flaws and might not never be the player he was coming out of college (ftr, I wanted Mike Evans badly in that draft).  But I’d rather have Sammy at $16 million at age 25 for Josh Allen than our 💩 fest of receivers at whatever they cost.

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On ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 2:36 PM, Kelly the Dog said:

It depends on how that ego manifested itself. It doesn't seem to me that it affected his effort or play. A huge number of pro athletes obviously have enormous egos and ego problems. For some of them it affects their play negatively, and it's a problem to some degree. For most it doesn't. It doesn't appear that it affected Sammy's play on the field here or anywhere, although it's possible. He didn't seem to say that in any way.

I have always considered Watkins a tremendous talent who had a personal drive to succeed. The problem I had with him was that he was so personally driven that he found it difficult playing in a situation where his expectation to produce was not going to materialize because of the situation here. If he were in Buffalo with the caliber of qb play and line play and offensive play his numbers would be a shadow of what he is capable of with a more accomplished team. I don't believe that in Buffalo he  handled that situation well. In my view if he was with Buffalo now under its current situation his emotions would bubble up to the surface and become a team issue. Similarly, I see McCoy who is chasing numbers that will qualify for the HOF becoming very frustrated with his situation/plight as time goes on. I wouldn't be too surprised if at the end of the season he privately asks to be traded to a better team where he can increase his numbers as his career winds down. 

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just because the bills wrs are terrible, it does not mean that it's worth paying sammy 16 mill a year.  he's good, but certainly not elite.  i don't know why people can't separate the two.  

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3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You're making a lot of assumptions here my friend.  I think Reid is maybe one of the most underrated coaches in the league, and has been for a long time.  I also love what McVay has done in LA.   I also dont think Gilmore sucks, and never have.  

 

What I am trying to say is this.  Sammy Watkins is not worth 16 million dollars a year.  He is often injured and is way closer to a third tier wideout in this league than he is an elite talent.    I think its also a bit of a falsity to keep saying McVay wanted him.  Yes they did sign him, but they also didnt resign him, so in that sense McVay is also one of the coaches who didnt want him.

 

You're also incorrect on the 23 pts/gm the last time he was fully healthy here.  He was only "fully healthy" here one time, his rookie season.  They averaged 21 points a game that year. 

 

Agree to disagree I guess.  But I feel like this argument, and not just with you, is more about how fans feel about the Bills and McBeane in particular, than it is about the simple truth about Sammy Watkins, which is this.  The guy is a high first round draft bust who never lived up to his potential in the league.  Given his draft status he should be putting up elite numbers.  Instead he is a #2 wideout in the league. 

 

Understood.  I thought I remembered him being knocked out of a game with a concussion last year.  However, if he misses time with this foot injury is it not fair to say he has missed time in the majority of the seasons he has played in?

 

He left the TNF game against the 49ers early after a hit to the head on a TD catch.  He returned the following week with no issue.  Looks like thenorthforgot this time.  ;)

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The best offensive coaches want Sammy.  The worst offense in the nfl didn’t want him.

 

he has his flaws and might not never be the player he was coming out of college (ftr, I wanted Mike Evans badly in that draft).  But I’d rather have Sammy at $16 million at age 25 for Josh Allen than our 💩 fest of receivers at whatever they cost.

Again, agree to disagree on Sammy.

 

I am not a fan of the moves the team has made on offense at all.  That includes drafting Allen.  But I am glad Watkins isn't here, especially at that price.

 

I will say that his move on Revis a few years ago is still on of my favorite routes I have ever watched a wideout run.

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44 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Rams points/ game pre Sammy: 14

points/game with Sammy: 29.9

 

chiefs points/ game pre Sammy: 25.9

points/ game with Sammy: 36.3

 

bills points/ game with Sammy in his last year here:  24.9

bills points/ game after Sammy left: 18.9

 

but I’m sure it’s one big coincidence.  It’s amazing how simple people try to make football.  I guess Julio Jones sucked until last week until he scored his first td of the season.  It’s this type of simple thinking that had the Bills think a garbage slow receiver like Jordan Matthews could replace Sammy because he had similar stats!

This is the type of dishonest BS that makes discussion impossible.  And there is no way that you actually believe it.

 

What are the Rams points per game post Sammy?  Can you think of any other possible reason why the Rams started scoring a lot of points last year?

 

Can you think of any other possible reason why the Chiefs starting scoring more points this year?  I bet you can if you try real hard.  Other than their 3rd leading receiver?

 

And yes, Sammy's 28 catches for 430 yards and 2 TD's were the key to the Bills scoring in 2016.

 

My god.

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Just now, SWATeam said:

This is the type of dishonest BS that makes discussion impossible.  And there is no way that you actually believe it.

 

What are the Rams points per game post Sammy?  Can you think of any other possible reason why the Rams started scoring a lot of points last year?

 

Can you think of any other possible reason why the Chiefs starting scoring more points this year?  I bet you can if you try real hard.  Other than their 3rd leading receiver?

 

And yes, Sammy's 28 catches for 430 yards and 2 TD's were the key to the Bills scoring in 2016.

 

My god.

Keep looking at blindly staring at stats.  No offense but I trust Reid/ McVay’s opinion over yours.  Our offense has been awesome since Sammy left!!!

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10 minutes ago, teef said:

just because the bills wrs are terrible, it does not mean that it's worth paying sammy 16 mill a year.  he's good, but certainly not elite.  i don't know why people can't separate the two.  

Wait til you see what we overpay for this offseason.  Any FA that signs with the Bills will be overpaid, especially the WRs.

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1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Wait til you see what we overpay for this offseason.  Any FA that signs with the Bills will be overpaid, especially the WRs.

Yup.  We will give Tyrell Williams like $15 million a year.

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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Keep looking at blindly staring at stats.  No offense but I trust Reid/ McVay’s opinion over yours.  Our offense has been awesome since Sammy left!!!

Wait, did McVay want him or not?  He traded for him, but then let him walk...  Kind of like the Bills.  I'm so confused.

 

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5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yup.  We will give Tyrell Williams like $15 million a year.

and everyone will be ECSTATIC for that like its a great move... NOBODY SPINS THE WHEELS LIKE THE BUFFALO BILLS

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Just now, SWATeam said:

Wait, did McVay want him or not?  He traded for him, but then let him walk...  Kind of like the Bills.  I'm so confused.

 

 

They wanted him back, but weren't ready to match the money he received from KC. 

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3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yup.  We will give Tyrell Williams like $15 million a year.

And doubt he signs.

 

Who would believe McD when discussing a contract what offense the bills plan on running.

 

Remember "Buffalo football" according to McD means field position and play between the 20:s and controlling the los.  Exactly what a wr wants to hear.

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5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Wait til you see what we overpay for this offseason.  Any FA that signs with the Bills will be overpaid, especially the WRs.

So true. Watkins has been on two teams stacked with weapons since he was traded. He’d be a focal point here, that shouldn’t be hard to understand. Anyway, griping about what players are paid is idiotic. Fans don’t set the NFL market or determine what a player is worth to a team. The Bills will have to pay huge $$ for less talented WRs to sign here now. Wonder how much griping there will be over those signings. 

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8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Wait til you see what we overpay for this offseason.  Any FA that signs with the Bills will be overpaid, especially the WRs.

i'm sure, and the bills did it to themselves.  

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2 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Wait, did McVay want him or not?  He traded for him, but then let him walk...  Kind of like the Bills.  I'm so confused.

 

McVay wanted him back, but there were several bidders for his services. At some point, he didn’t fit their salary structure. They immediately traded for Cooks. McVay knows what type of players he needs at WR to make his offense work. He didn’t proceed without a WR that could draw coverage and provide a threat to take the top off a defense. Funny, but Watkins had the most TDs of any Rams WR last season. 

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5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They wanted him back, but weren't ready to match the money he received from KC. 

Great.  And I'm sure the Bills would have wanted him too, but for less than whatever ridiculous amount it would have taken to entice him to sign an extension.

 

Getting a second for a guy that was going to walk the following year was a win.  

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5 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Wait, did McVay want him or not?  He traded for him, but then let him walk...  Kind of like the Bills.  I'm so confused.

 

He tried to sign him back but couldn’t because Andy Reid signed him for $16 million. McVay realized he couldn’t go into a season with 2 slower wrs like Woods and Kupp as his top 2 and immediately traded a 1st for Cooks.

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so...the rams traded a second for sammy in the first place, then used a first to replace him.  why not just keep him?  how much less is cooks making year than sammy?

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5 minutes ago, teef said:

so...the rams traded a second for sammy in the first place, then used a first to replace him.  why not just keep him?  how much less is cooks making year than sammy?

About $2 million less.  And yes, I would overpay for a receiver to help my young qb.  It’s exactly what the Chiefs did to help Mahomes.  Threats open up the entire offense.  McCoy is doing terrible because the defense don’t respect any receiver on our team and load the box.

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In other news, Bills castoffs during the Drought regain top form playing with their new franchises after applying lessons learned in Buffalo. 

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