BobbyC81 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t care if they agree with me. I have zero interest in Derek Carr. He is the most overrated QB of the last decade. I guess that I need to add IMO. Yeah, but based on what? Don't lower yourself to the level of the morons on here who say things like "Zay Jones is the worst WR ever." , "McDermott is the worst coach ever" without data to back it up. Edited October 19, 2018 by LittleJoeCartwright 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: An offer I think would get it done is. Benjamin, 2018 2nd, 2019 Conditional 3rd that can Elevate to a 1st. For Cooper and Carr then would have to redo Hughes Contract to lower this years hit to fit them both. And maybe even do something with Shady’s number and Clays. Just to fit them under this years cap. This trade puts playoffs this year back on the table (if they did it) and gives Josh the Aaron Rodgers Development timeline (perfect situation for him) You have a better, well thought out idea. Since the Raiders also need a pass rush, maybe they'll also take Shaq Lawson. I can't believe Gruden's idea of a rebuild includes getting rid of a 27 year old QB, a 27 year old pass rushing demon (Mack) and a 24 year old WR (Cooper), all Pro Bowl talents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Wow. How incompetent and arrogant is Gruden? What a tragic (if humorous) mistake by the Raiders. It may take them years to reach DelRio's 6 wins. And they are stuck with the guy, it seems, or lose @ $100 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 35 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t care if they agree with me. I have zero interest in Derek Carr. He is the most overrated QB of the last decade. I guess that I need to add IMO. You have to be first rated to be overrated. Bills haven't had a QB rated in two decades. A 1st and 3rd for Cooper and Carr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Id pull the trigger on this and sit and develop Allen at least two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 After this year, Carr has 4 years $79m left on his contract with no guarantees. So you can basically cut him whenever you want. If somebody doesn’t give up at least a 2nd rounder for him, Carr must be damaged goods. Keenum and Bradford are making that kind of money. Has Carr fallen that far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Are what the Raiders doing that much different than what McBeane did? (Ducks) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0-Technique Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Trade for Carr and suddenly legit free agent receivers will come to play here next year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: It's almost as if Gruden is purposely ruining the Raiders........and im being serious. It is possible ... his contract is guaranteed and maybe he just wanted a big payday from Raiders which he believes he should have gotten when he was coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 there's no way the Bills do this unless Allen is a Ryan Leaf scale bust which does appear to be the case. If Gruden does this he will make Matt Millen look like a genius. He will be the biggest embarrassment in Pro Football history since the Herschel Walker deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 No I don’t think so, we drafted a QB #7 ocerall we have to see what he can do and that contract Carr has is way too high. If this is true John Gruden is cleaning house. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 No thanks. He's the most overrated qb in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 57 minutes ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Yeah, but based on what? Don't lower yourself to the level of the morons on here who say things like "Zay Jones is the worst WR ever." , "McDermott is the worst coach ever" without data to back it up. I’m not saying that he is “the worst QB ever.” I am saying that I have no interest in a 1st or 2nd and $20M for a QB that I think is no better than Tyrod. He gets baited all of the time and turns it over more than he should. This isn’t hyperbole. Derek Carr, at Derek Carr’s cost is a hard pass from me. He’s not a top 20 QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, stuvian said: there's no way the Bills do this unless Allen is a Ryan Leaf scale bust which does appear to be the case. Horsecrap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: You're way overthinking this. There's a legitimate franchise QB available. The type of guy the Bills can sit Allen behind for the 2-3 years he needs to develop. If he's ready to start then the Bills can move one of them for great value. Carr will still be young, too. Bills fans should be clamoring for this to happen. This is why we can't have nice things. Please don’t mistake our difference of opinion regarding strategy after the fact for difference of opinion about Carr altogether. I’m all for getting him - he’ll, I’d pay a 1st rounder for him if it was just that straight up - given the premium market value on QBs. We just differ on what do once Carr is wearing the great Red, White, and Blue on Sunday’s. All good Bro...we’re basically on the same wavelength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 He has proven himself as a morethan capable starter. I am suprised to hear this if true. must mean we really screwed up trading them McCarran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Just cuz he has a HAWT sister don't mean he is needed here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Horsecrap so you've decided he's a bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, 0-Technique said: Trade for Carr and suddenly legit free agent receivers will come to play here next year. Just WHO are these legit free agent wideouts? I seriously wanna know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 John Gruden is doing to the Raiders what Phil Jackson did to the Knicks. Both will leave much richer while leaving the franchises much worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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