COTC Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: It wouldn’t be a good look for McD if he fires 2 OCs in 2 years. Probably wouldn’t be good for Allen either having to learn another offense. Yeah. For the sake of continuity, let’s keep a failed OC, just because McD is worried about his reputation. That makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 if we did the Culley shuffle it'd also remove the thing keeping Matthews from trying out for us. win/win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 The Bills have problems with their OL and WR. Things would be much calmer around here if everyone would realize this isn't going to be a good year for them. The Bills need to clear cap space and right now they are playing with little to no talent at WR and OL. Doesn't matter who the OC was going to be they just don't have the talent on that side of the ball to compete. The Bills are going to have cap space at the end of the year and will be able to address some issues in FA and they will have good draft capital to move around the board and get the players they want. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ctk232 said: We sorely need that second head coach leading the offense though. Looks like McD would very much like to just leave that entire half of the team to a competent playcaller, and it's very much needed. But I doubt Daboll goes after the offense we have this year, while a good amount of it is on him, he'll be able to ride the rookie qb train for this year at least. That’s mcds problem. He doesn’t coach the entire team. He is 1/2 the man he should be. He needs to rely on his coaches to make decisions on the offensive side off the ball, a recipe for failure. 5 minutes ago, Yav said: The Bills have problems with their OL and WR. Things would be much calmer around here if everyone would realize this isn't going to be a good year for them. The Bills need to clear cap space and right now they are playing with little to no talent at WR and OL. Doesn't matter who the OC was going to be they just don't have the talent on that side of the ball to compete. The Bills are going to have cap space at the end of the year and will be able to address some issues in FA and they will have good draft capital to move around the board and get the players they want. We made the playoffs last year, we were supposed to grow off that. Never were expectations set as a rebuilding/ failed year. Beane and Mcd tore this roster apart just to spite our previous GM. In turn, we have apologists, like you, making up excuses. We need to improve on last year or some coaches could be fired. Beane and McD seat is already warm...I think Dabs is the sacrifice/ excuse this year. Edited October 19, 2018 by COTC 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, COTC said: Yeah. For the sake of continuity, let’s keep a failed OC, just because McD is worried about his reputation. That makes a lot of sense. It's not just for continuity. What decent OC would want to take this job when the previous OC was giving a QB that throws INT's at a historical rate, a raw rookie who wasn't supposed to start and a guy who was on vacation just 10 days ago....fired after 6 games? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, COTC said: That’s mcds problem. He doesn’t coach the entire team. He is 1/2 the man he should be. He needs to rely on his coaches to make decisions on the offensive side off the ball, a recipe for failure. While accurate not necessarily fair - most HC's don't know both sides completely, if at all. Those that don't hire accordingly, of course, which is more to the point here with McD. But plenty of coaches have only ever coached one side of the ball - and HC's can have varied involvement on each side of the ball as well. The key is having good coordinators that can specialize and create functioning components while you oversee the direction, and/or call your side of the team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COTC Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It's not just for continuity. What decent OC would want to take this job when the previous OC was giving a QB that throws INT's at a historical rate, a raw rookie who wasn't supposed to start and a guy who was on vacation just 10 days ago....fired after 6 games? There are several experienced coaches who would chomp at the bit to land a OC job in the NFL. They all don’t share your lack of confidence in this team. Edited October 19, 2018 by COTC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, COTC said: There are several experienced coaches who would chomp at the bit to land a OC job in the NFL. They all don’t share your lack of confidence. LOL..okay pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: His best spot is QB coach. Not OC, not HC. We could use one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, COTC said: We made the playoffs last year, we were supposed to grow off that. Never were expectations set as a rebuilding/ failed year. Beane and Mcd tore this roster apart just to spite our previous GM. In turn, we have apologists, like you, making up excuses. We need to improve on last year or some coaches could be fired. Beane and McD seat is already warm...I think Dabs is the sacrifice/ excuse this year. The expectations were always to rebuild? We were never supposed to make the playoffs, and we lucked into it more so thanks to Dalton. Then we show up in the wildcard game and can't even score a TD in a 10-3 loss, in what was otherwise a dominant defensive performance and very winnable game? Not going to build off anything with an offense like that. You might be able to "use the momentum" though, but any building off that team would've led to priced out and aged out players and larger cap issues. If you looked at the roster as well, there was very little future talent that wouldn't otherwise be off the team in 2-3 years time. McBeane was always hired for a rebuild, and most new regimes will always build out their new team. Just because we made the playoffs last year doesn't mean anything, Beane even said as much. The excuse this year? There is none, we just have a deplorable offense due to a lot of factors, but this is otherwise expected in a rebuild (especially with this current roster), and is actually more of what was supposed to happen last year until our defense started playing lights out. It's not an excuse so much as it is reality. You can start warming seats once they bring in an actual offense and try to win with those decisions. Edited October 19, 2018 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said: We could use one of them. Why? We have been stellar at QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Will leave this here .... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Firing a OC due to a rookie QB = scapegoat to entertain ownership and fans that the HC is "trying". Do fans and owners realize that rookie QB's are going to struggle that directly relates to the OC? This isn't rocket science. 36 minutes ago, aristocrat said: wonder if daboll could get the boot if this week is adud? Not a huge fan of Daboll but you have to look at what he is handed for talent. The guy is forced a QB who hasn't started in 2 years and prob only knows like 1/4th the playbook. What do you expect to happen here? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: And to think, he was McD's #1 choice for OC last year, then comes Dennison, now DaBoll. This really makes me think that this FO and HC have no clue as to how to approach the offensive side of the ball. I hope I am wrong and DaBoll proves with Anderson that his scheme will work with marginal QB talent as long as it is executed. After seeing Rosen get obliterated last night, it's a good thing that Allen can take a few weeks to recover and get some insight. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cardinals-fire-mike-mccoy-after-humiliating-effort-against-broncos-byron-leftwich-named-oc/ He's a well respected coach in the league, not sure what it has to do with McDermott? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Not a huge fan of Daboll but you have to look at what he is handed for talent. The guy is forced a QB who hasn't started in 2 years and prob only knows like 1/4th the playbook. What do you expect to happen here? WR corp is one of the very worse in the league. OLine is not as bad as people say IMO but still below average. A rookie QB and a pick-6 throwing one, now adding a rusty average at best vet. Fine. But what do I expect to see? Creativity, misdirections, two back sets, more use of these backs though not always down the middle, more use of the TE, etc. I expect a LOT more scheme wise and play calling than what we've seen, even accounting for all the obvious talent limitations on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 44 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The Rex Ryan approach It worked for Pederson. And its working for McVay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 "McCoy got Rosened!"© ©Gugny, The ShoutBox, 10/19/2018 @ 10:59am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, Looper said: Will leave this here .... NP had 24 yards passing... and 2 picks... in a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I admit that he was a top choice for me as OC. The offense in San Diego was strong with him as HC, but I guess it always will be with a pro bowl QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, CookieG said: It worked for Pederson. And its working for McVay. They both had accomplished DCs that you could trust to do their thing and be good. We don’t have that luxury at OC unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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