Juice_32 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 9 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Derek Anderson could very well perform better than Allen in the short term, so hold on thar bobba boy! If the defense holds this pace Anderson is going to come in and protect the ball. I'm with you, we probably win 1 or 2 more than we would have with JA. Unless something happens on the defensive side of the ball there is no way this team ends up at #1 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Juice_32 said: If the defense holds this pace Anderson is going to come in and protect the ball. I'm with you, we probably win 1 or 2 more than we would have with JA. Unless something happens on the defensive side of the ball there is no way this team ends up at #1 overall. Do you watch other teams? The best teams? they don’t care about D at all never mind, maybe a 7-3 win is in the cards.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: Do you watch other teams? The best teams? they don’t care about D at all never mind, maybe a 7-3 win is in the cards.... Yes, I do. My only point here is that our D is going to allow us to play in slug fests (like we already have). Those kinds of games we are going to eek out some wins in thus lowering our chances of landing the #1 overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Whether we pick #1 or just in the Top 5-10, it's going to be interesting to see how the Bills approach this draft. By most accounts, the 2019 class is going to be one of the strongest Defensive Line drafts in the history of the NFL. The top 2-3 prospects all play on the D-Line, and it would not be surprising if 75% of the First Round picks are either Defensive Ends or Tackles. Regardless of where our team needs are, it's going to be ridiculously tough for any GM to pass on the D-Line talent staring them in the face at the top of the draft. On the flip side, this draft looks very weak on the offensive side. There are hardly any standouts at Wide Receiver, Offensive Line or even Running Back. Maybe a few guys will rise into mid-First Round consideration by next April. But nothing to get really excited about if you are picking at the top of the draft. Worse yet... It's going to be really tough to get a nice haul trading down, because the Quarterback class also looks mediocre. And the top prospect (Justin Herbert) could very likely stay in school another season. Bottom line -- It's going to be really tough to convince teams to trade into the Top 5, when the top picks are going to be D-Line and there are bound to be excellent D-Line guys still available 20 picks later. And if we are really determined to upgrade the offensive side of the ball, that could very likely mean passing on a generational defensive talent and reaching too high for a receiver or blocker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: Do you watch other teams? The best teams? they don’t care about D at all never mind, maybe a 7-3 win is in the cards.... I think they do "care about D". Yes - the best teams can all score points, but the best teams stop teams scoring too. What they don't "care about" is giving up yards. Here are New England's defensive PPG rankings the past 10 seasons (** represents Superbowl Champions): 2017 - 5th 2016 - 1st ** 2015 - 10th 2014 - 8th ** 2013 - 10th 2012 - 9th 2011 - 15th 2010 - 8th 2009 - 5th 2008 - 8th That is one year outside a top 10 scoring defense in 10 seasons. Believe me the Patriots "care" about defense. Maybe it is just them, maybe it is Belichick's defense first background? So I looked at the defensive rank of Superbowl Champs since 2008 2017 - Philadelphia - 4th 2016 - New England - 1st 2015 - Denver - 4th 2014 - New England - 8th 2013 - Seattle - 1st 2012 - Baltimore - 12th 2011 - NYG - 25th 2010 - Green Bay - 2nd 2009 - New Orleans - 20th 2008 - Pittsburgh - 1st So there are two outliers there where teams won the Superbowl giving up a lot of points in the regular season. But the best teams care about both putting up points and giving up as few as possible. I'm not saying that in this day in age you should build to win on defense.... most of those teams were well balanced with good offenses and good defences Denver (good defense, awful offense) and New Orleans (good offense, average defense) might be the two that I'd pick out has heavily skewed one way or the other. 3 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Whether we pick #1 or just in the Top 5-10, it's going to be interesting to see how the Bills approach this draft. By most accounts, the 2019 class is going to be one of the strongest Defensive Line drafts in the history of the NFL. The top 2-3 prospects all play on the D-Line, and it would not be surprising if 75% of the First Round picks are either Defensive Ends or Tackles. Regardless of where our team needs are, it's going to be ridiculously tough for any GM to pass on the D-Line talent staring them in the face at the top of the draft. On the flip side, this draft looks very weak on the offensive side. There are hardly any standouts at Wide Receiver, Offensive Line or even Running Back. Maybe a few guys will rise into mid-First Round consideration by next April. But nothing to get really excited about if you are picking at the top of the draft. Worse yet... It's going to be really tough to get a nice haul trading down, because the Quarterback class also looks mediocre. And the top prospect (Justin Herbert) could very likely stay in school another season. Bottom line -- It's going to be really tough to convince teams to trade into the Top 5, when the top picks are going to be D-Line and there are bound to be excellent D-Line guys still available 20 picks later. And if we are really determined to upgrade the offensive side of the ball, that could very likely mean passing on a generational defensive talent and reaching too high for a receiver or blocker. That is pretty much what I make of this class at this point too mjt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: If the defense holds this pace Anderson is going to come in and protect the ball. I'm with you, we probably win 1 or 2 more than we would have with JA. Unless something happens on the defensive side of the ball there is no way this team ends up at #1 overall. I'm looking for him to be a veteran game manager who just doesn't screw games up with costly turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 10 hours ago, LFC24 said: With Allen out for at least 3-5 weeks we can finally start thinking about the #1 overall pick. I have no doubt we will be picking top 3. Our offense struggles to put up over 10 points a game and our defense is decent (not top 5 or even top 10 like everyone thinks). We have played 2 bad offenses in a row, every other good QB we have faced this season our defense got ripped apart. So what do we do? Trade back or take the top guy available? I doubt anyone has the draft capital to trade up for #1, especially for a defensive end. This is prob one of the worst drafts to own the #1 overall pick. There is no generational type player available, and no top QB's that other teams want to trade out of the pick. We will most likely draft one of the two top DE's. First, I don't think the Bills are so bad they overcome the Cards, Indy, or the Giants to be 1st overall. Second, you're factually inaccurate when you say the Bills Defense isn't top 10. In fact, most recently they are ranked 3rd overall in Defense. So, even if we take different sources of Defensive ranking, they're not out of the top 10. As for Drafting another QB in the 1st round, I don't see it and I don't think it makes a lot of sense. If you want to go all in on the QB position, trade for a good to great one to school Allen and go from there, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 no one is catching the giants IMO. They are plummeting fast to that #1 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Juice_32 said: Yes, I do. My only point here is that our D is going to allow us to play in slug fests (like we already have). Those kinds of games we are going to eek out some wins in thus lowering our chances of landing the #1 overall pick. Thats not going to lead to 7 wins even if all goes well this is JV football without a QB who shows he has a clue what he is doing out there, doesn’t have to be elite Bills won’t tank the season and will get the 9th pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Your mom. Help me find my keys and we'll drive out of here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Tenhigh said: Help me find my keys and we'll drive out of here! If only.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Best case...we lose out and see improvement offensively... but the games get a little easier...any good vet play from anderson and we have winnable games sadly. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I would love to draft Top 3, but mark my words they win somewhere between 4-6 games and force us to the fringe of top 10 or just in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think that Bosa and Oliver could be generational players. If the Bills do have the #1 pick and those 2 are there they should take one. The sad fact is that even if there is stud transitional pick out there, these Bills are more than 1 significant O starter away from having even an average team. The facts are: we NEED: 1. At least 1 more and probably 2 starter quality players on the OL. Ducasse is simply not starter quality at G, neither Bodine or Groy is or likely to become Wood quality. We can reasonably be hopeful about Dawkins and while reasonably expecting either Miller or Mills to up there game one cannot expect both to catch lightening in a bottle. Even if one likes Teller or McDermott to improve (I hope they do) "merely" becoming quality swingman back-ups ready to step in when the likely ding happens to an OL starter would in fact be a step-up for these players. Get a stud with a #1 and you still are looking for a starter quality OL pick with your #2 AND 2. You still need at least 1 and probably 2 starter quality WRs. I am sorry to say and most reasonable observers do not see statistical evidence beyond his long ago and several dings ago rookie season. Zay Jones had a storied college career but does anyone reasonably claim he is a proven pro at #2. Andre Holmes? The Bills have got to be looking for two WR starter candidates at WR from FA and the draft BUT this needs to fit with us also needing at least 1 if not 2 OL starter quality players AND 3. The fact is that Shady next year is on the wrong side of 30 AND his off-field problems make me interested in adding a starter quality RB next year. Ivory sometimes makes the play but as in Sundays loss he failed to bull his way to a 1st down which may well have won the game on a 3rd and 2. RBs can sometimes be found in a late round pick but if the Bills look to next year's draft to fill this need a high pick until Shady gets injured and taking a flyer on a UDFA SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. 4. As far as the rest of the O, next year's draft is likely not a target to find a new QB or TE, however, this is not because all problems are solved with the quality demonstrated but we are pretty committed to working with what we got. However, given our large # of needs if we get a top three pick we gotta trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) The Bills will win 5 of their remaining 6 home games. loss to pats, this Def is the best in the NFL. So so that gets them to 7 wins. steal 2 more on the road indy and jets or miami and your at 9-7 same as last year. Not to hard to imagine with that killer defense. Edited October 17, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 We won 2 games with Allen. Allen was the worst QB in all of football. No reason why we can't win another two games this year which would likely put us outside the top 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 The Giants will not be deterred in their quest for the top pick. If any team gets too close to them they'll bench Eli & start either Tanney or Lauletta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, KingRex said: However, given our large # of needs if we get a top three pick we gotta trade down. I don't agree. The aim of the draft is not the fill holes. It is to acquire talent.... and ideally elite talent. You do not turn down an elite pass rusher to try and secure enough picks to fill all your holes. If it takes 2 drafts it takes 2 drafts..... if they are in position to take Bosa or Oliver they should do it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said: The Bills will win 5 of their remaining 6 home games. loss to pats, this Def is the best in the NFL. So so that gets them to 7 wins. steal 2 more on the road indy and jets or miami and your at 9-7 same as last year. Not to hard to imagine with that killer defense. holy cow, windowpane flashbacks 40 years after dosing... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 3 hours ago, mjt328 said: Whether we pick #1 or just in the Top 5-10, it's going to be interesting to see how the Bills approach this draft. By most accounts, the 2019 class is going to be one of the strongest Defensive Line drafts in the history of the NFL. The top 2-3 prospects all play on the D-Line, and it would not be surprising if 75% of the First Round picks are either Defensive Ends or Tackles. Regardless of where our team needs are, it's going to be ridiculously tough for any GM to pass on the D-Line talent staring them in the face at the top of the draft. On the flip side, this draft looks very weak on the offensive side. There are hardly any standouts at Wide Receiver, Offensive Line or even Running Back. Maybe a few guys will rise into mid-First Round consideration by next April. But nothing to get really excited about if you are picking at the top of the draft. Worse yet... It's going to be really tough to get a nice haul trading down, because the Quarterback class also looks mediocre. And the top prospect (Justin Herbert) could very likely stay in school another season. Bottom line -- It's going to be really tough to convince teams to trade into the Top 5, when the top picks are going to be D-Line and there are bound to be excellent D-Line guys still available 20 picks later. And if we are really determined to upgrade the offensive side of the ball, that could very likely mean passing on a generational defensive talent and reaching too high for a receiver or blocker. Brilliant Post and spot on! I will also add that Free Agency doesn't look to be great in regards to OL and WRs (#2s & 3s). An overall massive offensive upgrade for 2019 is not a certainty at all. If we are lucky enough to be at the top of the draft, you cannot pass on these defensive prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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