Mark Vader Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Good god. People really need to get a grip. There is a zero point zero chance of the bills drafing another qb next year. 0.0. Absolutely. The Bills drafted their QB, they are not going to spend another first round pick on another QB. If the Bills add another QB during the offseason, it will be another veteran in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: If Allen isn't out too long it could be good for him to see someone with experience go through game prep. That’s my hope. He has had some experience - now he can watch from the sideline with the benefit of that perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Props to Bandit, who found this. This is promising: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1058274610002466 Methods The NFL Injury Surveillance System (NFLISS) was reviewed for any UCL injuries of the elbow in quarterbacks from 1994 to 2008, including the type and mechanism of injury, player demographics, method of treatment, and time to return to play. Results A total of 10 cases of UCL injuries in quarterbacks were identified starting in 1994. Nine cases were treated nonoperatively and the mean return to play was 26.4 days. Conclusion UCL injuries of the elbow are uncommon injuries in professional quarterbacks. This group of overhead athletes can be successfully treated nonoperatively, in contrast to baseball players, who more commonly need surgical reconstruction to return to competitive play. The difference between the 2 groups of overhead athletes is most likely secondary to biomechanics and demand. I saw that, I tried finding out who those QBs were. Did you find anything? Either way, that's nearly a month. At least we can get back to 125 passing yards/game and a passing TD every third game, something that even the worst QB in the league with no NFL future and with no competent WRs should be able to do. 3 minutes ago, Success said: That’s my hope. He has had some experience - now he can watch from the sideline with the benefit of that perspective. What perspective? Peterman? You want him "learning" from Peterman? What's he supposed to learn? Seriously. Same for Andersen. He'd learn more locked in a room playing Madden. Edited October 16, 2018 by TaskersGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said: That's another good point alongside the person that said that is isn't very "process." So the question then becomes one of whether it would have been better/wiser to build the key parts of the team, like the OL and at least one WR, with 6 picks on days 1 & 2 and grab a QB in next year's draft, or whether it was wiser to turn the first five of those into merely two players, one having been the riskiest QB in the Draft not to mention the most costly in terms of draft picks. I think that the answer is clear at this point. The only questioning seems to be why those making this decision didn't seem to think so. Either way, they've dug themselves an enormous hole to work out of that IMO is impossible. But hey, they got "their guy." That's all that matters, right? Or is it? Bottom line, this regime won't get the opportunity to pick another QB high. If Allen is a bust, then someone else takes over and makes the pick. It's early to judge, by the same measure you could say "what garbage the Rams / Bears are putting Goff / Trubisky around". Even the Eagles had nothing outside of Ertz in Carson Wentz's first year. They simply have to do better with the offense this offseason, no easy fixes are coming the next couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 I honestly can't believe how badly the Bills screwed up quarterback this offseason. Yeah I believe they went after the wrong QB, but even after the draft they messed up not getting a QB they knew could start a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said: I saw that, I tried finding out who those QBs were. Did you find anything? Either way, that's nearly a month. At least we can get back to 125 passing yards/game and a passing TD every third game, something that even the worst QB in the league with no NFL future and with no competent WRs should be able to do. What perspective? Peterman? You want him "learning" from Peterman? What's he supposed to learn? Seriously. Same for Andersen. NOT Peterman - but Andersen is a vet, and he has had success. He’s not ideal, but there is some value. And just watching the game after being in the thick of it can help. He knows better than anyone here what challenges him on the field - it can help just watching how someone else handles those things.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And as I said is showing NOTHING to for me to say yeah have our QB. Now if you are going to miss all of 2019 as well you better decide to get a QB again. Yeah, we know you've said it. You've said it about 1,000 times in every single thread. Hell, you are probably saying on other teams boards as well. Don't you get sick of saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? I know I get sick of reading it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Mark80 said: Yeah, we know you've said it. You've said it about 1,000 times in every single thread. Hell, you are probably saying on other teams boards as well. Don't you get sick of saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? I know I get sick of reading it. allow me: the answer is no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Mark80 said: Yeah, we know you've said it. You've said it about 1,000 times in every single thread. Hell, you are probably saying on other teams boards as well. Don't you get sick of saying the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? I know I get sick of reading it. Cool there is this thing called an ignore button. Just click it and your problem is solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Bottom line, this regime won't get the opportunity to pick another QB high. If Allen is a bust, then someone else takes over and makes the pick. It's early to judge, by the same measure you could say "what garbage the Rams / Bears are putting Goff / Trubisky around". Even the Eagles had nothing outside of Ertz in Carson Wentz's first year. They simply have to do better with the offense this offseason, no easy fixes are coming the next couple of months. Right, so it's wash/rinse/repeat. At some point we have to worry about the team moving despite what the Pegulas say. Older fans are falling off and people are leaving Buffalo and the region in drover, indigenous types anyway. The fanbase is shrinking. At some point, unless extended winning rears its head soon, IMO this small-market is in trouble despite efforts by the Pegulas. Maybe I'm off but it takes more than "loyal fans" to keep a team. The NFL has an economic model and Buffalo no longer fits it despite what we think. I'd be concerned, and incompetence on the field and in the front office cannot possibly help the overall situation. Agree with you on no QB high unless they pull a Watkins. Not sure I see that happening, as high as they are on trying to fit the Peterman square into the round hole, you'd have to think that one way or another they'll try ten times harder to fit Allen into the same hole. Drafting another would conflict with that. Either way, they don't have enough resources to build up the team prior to a crescendo of terminal criticism forcing them out. Think about it, they need a complete OL overhaul, WRs at all spots, a RB now (should have looked into trading Shady before last or this season when he had some value), and even a TE not to mention backup QBs too. We'd literally be better off offensively as an expansion franchise. Then of course there are defensive needs on top of that. Kyle's on the cusp of retirement, Lorax is too, and Hughes is a free agent after next season. There's no way on earth that they turn this team into a perennial winner by 2020. At this point they'll be lucky if Allen's "the one" and doesn't contribute the starting QB spot to the list of needs too rendering the offense a complete overhaul. Edited October 16, 2018 by TaskersGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, McBean said: You feel better? Why don't you voice your frustration at the Bills, and not BuffaloBaumer? He didn't create this mess. The Bills did. I find the many fans here who would enthusiastically stand and die on the myriad mistakes that comprise Bills Mountain to be really strange and confusing, though interesting. 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Ife he needs the surgery i dont see HOW the Bills cannot take a QB early in the draft. If that's true, his injury could be the greatest piece of dumb luck this organization has enjoyed in a long time. Especially if he is going to have that surgery and miss substantial time, if not the rest of the season. I don't know how long he might be out. If that's the case, and we are looking at a QB tandem of Nate and the Old Man, we may not win another game. That's perfect for drafting a QB. Let's just pray the kid in Oregon comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Success said: NOT Peterman - but Andersen is a vet, and he has had success. He’s not ideal, but there is some value. And just watching the game after being in the thick of it can help. He knows better than anyone here what challenges him on the field - it can help just watching how someone else handles those things.. I can agree to disagree on the basis that we have different standards. Here's Andersen's career stats; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeDe00.htm He had one season of success as you state it, but against an incredibly soft schedule, one of the easiest in the league that season. In his only four games against good teams he played poorly that season. He had absolutely no success of which to speak of, by any standard, otherwise. Once again McBeane have dropped the ball and caused a turnover. Edited October 16, 2018 by TaskersGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 56 minutes ago, COTC said: It’s unfortunate, however typical. If you don’t like irresponsible leadership mixed with bad luck then I suggest finding a different team. This franchise just spins its wheels with excuses. Its primary concern is profit. Winning is not a priority. Traditionally under Owner #1, that was quite true. With Owner #2, don't think so. We definitely spin our wheels and go nowhere, but I am not sure Pegula is focusing on profit as Wilson was. I do think he really wants to win and the cost of running a successful organization is a secondary concern. His problem isn't being cheap, it's being a clueless, very low information sports fan, and he is taking it upon himself to personally interview and hire the people who run his football team. That's a bad practice that needs to end. 57 minutes ago, Bangarang said: RB lol You can literally find capable RBs in the mid to late rounds on a yearly basis. Taking a QB high doesn’t prevent you from addressing any of those positions. The Bills have focused on a running game and defense for so long, and completely neglected the QB position that I think a lot of Bills fans think that is where the sport of football is in 2018. As I watch good teams around the league, they seem to be playing a different game than the Bills. We are like 20 years behind the times, if not more, and our HC fits right into that problem. Someone who has Pegula's ear needs to sit down with him and steer him in the right direction and where the game is heading in the 21s century, b/c he doesn't seem to understand that himself. 3 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said: I can agree to disagree on the basis that we have different standards. Here's Andersen's career stats; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeDe00.htm He had one season of success as you state it, but against an incredibly soft schedule, one of the easiest in the league that season. In his only four games against good teams he played poorly that season. He had absolutely no success of which to speak of, by any standard, otherwise. Once again McBeane have dropped the ball and caused a turnover. And on top of it, he's 67 years old! Too old! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, colin said: eli may be there, frankly if he's there for a trade i'd get him now immediately followed by the headline ‘Eli Manning pulls a Vonte’ Edited October 16, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: It’s football. It’s a mans game. What part of being inexperienced caused that injury? Cripes. Absolutely nothing. And the people whining about it being a late hit should probably watch baseball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, Success said: NOT Peterman - but Andersen is a vet, and he has had success. He’s not ideal, but there is some value. And just watching the game after being in the thick of it can help. He knows better than anyone here what challenges him on the field - it can help just watching how someone else handles those things.. As I've pointed out, his success was tremendously limited, essentially to as single season and exclusively against non-winning teams. That was in '07, he had no success by any standards otherwise. If he starts people will be slamming him just as much as they are Peterman at this point. I don't think having Andersen on the sidelines whispering into Allen's ear is going to help matters. Let's be frank, the move to acquire Andersen is a grasping-at-straws attempt by McBeane to CTA. It too will fall short as they entire end-of-tenure damage-control mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, TaskersGhost said: I can agree to disagree on the basis that we have different standards. Here's Andersen's career stats; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeDe00.htm He had one season of success as you state it, but against an incredibly soft schedule, one of the easiest in the league that season. In his only four games against good teams he played poorly that season. He had absolutely no success of which to speak of otherwise. Once again McBeane have dropped the ball and caused a turnover. Well, I’m definitely not happy with the QB situation. I’m just usually a keg is half-full kind of guy. I do remember Andersen’s good season. The schedule was soft, but he had some games that were lights out. I always found it strange that none of that carried over, even with tougher competition. At the time, lots of fans here wanted him to be a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said: There's no way on earth that they turn this team into a perennial winner by 2020. he said with ABSOLUTE certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said: I can agree to disagree on the basis that we have different standards. Here's Andersen's career stats; https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeDe00.htm He had one season of success as you state it, but against an incredibly soft schedule, one of the easiest in the league that season. In his only four games against good teams he played poorly that season. He had absolutely no success of which to speak of, by any standard, otherwise. Once again McBeane have dropped the ball and caused a turnover. Where are you getting this crazy standard for QB success? DA has a career passer rating of 71. You know how amazing that looks in comparison to what they’ve been putting out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, colin said: if he's hurt to start the year, we'll bring in a bigger time vet qb if he's not, we'll bring in a cheaper one eli may be there, frankly if he's there for a trade i'd get him now Eli is your prize? Wow. Let’s not set the bar too low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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