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16 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Wait until ‘19 when we have 80 million + in cap room.  They’ll be lining up to come to Buffalo.  Money talks.

Can only hope Josh shows enough promise to entice potential WR talent to sign here. He's gonna have to show a whole lot more than he has. 

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It's too late for that this season, it would take a WR a few weeks to get up to speed with the offense, and I'm not sure adding a WR is going to do much with a rookie QB.    

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1 hour ago, jtothebrown said:

The Bills have reached out to several agents of several wr's, and from what im told, those specific players agents declined, basically stating that their guys is waiting on a contending team to open up a spot.

 

We will see some moves with some of those available in a couple more weeks.

Im going to behave and not say anything negative in return.

#savage

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1 hour ago, zow2 said:

I get that none of the big names want to be in Buf.   Still kinda shake my head that the team released guys like O'Leary and Rod Streater.  Not that our record would we any better, but the team desperately needs some possession receivers on the field.  Those guys knew the system and could have contributed more than Robert Foster, Logan Thomas, etc..., Right?!?

BOOM! My thoughts exactly.  O'Leary, Streater and Brandon Reilly have all shown more than Foster, Holmes, Lee and RayRay. Thomas I understand they kept because he is good at reading and picking up protections. 

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34 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

go get golden tate and reap the rewards

He's a free agent at the end of the year anyways. There's no real point in trading for him now.

 

Some of the WRs that I think could possibly be had via trade if we chose to pursue are:

 

DeVante Parker - though I'm sure Miami would prefer to trade him outside the division

Travis Benjamin - though do you really want to take his contract?

Amari Cooper - there's been speculation that Gruden would consider trading him rather than paying him his next contract

Nelson Agholor - $9.3 million cap hit next season and he hasn't done anything this year

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2 hours ago, jtothebrown said:

So many of us have been wondering why we havent signed any semi-notable wr's this year with the obvious need for help in that department.

 

I recently spoke to a very reliable source today that told me why! The Dez Bryants, Maclins, etc have turned us down. We go through the scrap heaps for a reason. 

 

Both of them are scrap head receivers... we're playing for 2019, in case you haven't figured that out. Allen needs help with the game FIRST, then he gets REAL upgrades on offense, not bandaids.

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8 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

It's too late for that this season, it would take a WR a few weeks to get up to speed with the offense, and I'm not sure adding a WR is going to do much with a rookie QB.    

 

I see that from our point of view. If I’m an unemployed WR I just might take a few million to get on any team now, rather than wonder if I had been “involuntarily retired”. Any guy on the street now stands a chance of never playing again. I’d pad the bank account, at least “pulling a Kelvin”, as I call it. 

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If I were a Free agent WR I wouldn’t want to play with Josh Allen.  Accuracy issues and a laser beam. Your drop rate is sure to go up just because some of his passes are tougher to catch just due to the velocity. He can make a wr look real bad.  It’s happening to Benjamin right now.  While he is a bum, his hands have never been this bad before.  Catching a pass from JA isn’t the same as catching it from other QBs.  

 

Then throw in the crappy weather and almost 20 years of a wr graveyard.  Been over 10 years since we had a true number 1 WR actually perform like one, Eric Moulds.  Sammy did for 1/2 a season

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Wait, how many of the Dez Bryants turned the Bills down?

18 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said:

It's too late for that this season, it would take a WR a few weeks to get up to speed with the offense, and I'm not sure adding a WR is going to do much with a rookie QB.    

 

 

Wait what?

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Out of work WRs by week 6 would take money to come here, especially a 1-2 year deal!

 

As for Allen... if he had some good receivers he could do way more! 

 

And all in all, this is a message for the "tank the season for picks" crowd: if you show potential, free agents WILL come here. Otherwise we get second rate ones asking for top dollars. And while the 1st round picks and some 2nds ones you better pick high, all the other ones are basically crapshoots. 

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17 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

He's a free agent at the end of the year anyways. There's no real point in trading for him now.

 

Some of the WRs that I think could possibly be had via trade if we chose to pursue are:

 

DeVante Parker - though I'm sure Miami would prefer to trade him outside the division

Travis Benjamin - though do you really want to take his contract?

Amari Cooper - there's been speculation that Gruden would consider trading him rather than paying him his next contract

Nelson Agholor - $9.3 million cap hit next season and he hasn't done anything this year

 

Trade and sign Tate. 

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21 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

BOOM! My thoughts exactly.  O'Leary, Streater and Brandon Reilly have all shown more than Foster, Holmes, Lee and RayRay. Thomas I understand they kept because he is good at reading and picking up protections. 

Thomas also has laid down some nasty blocks. Leveled a DE last week (link and vid are in the All-22 thread). 

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As we have heard so often, Free Agents don't want to come to Buffalo, but once here they don't want to leave.

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I can't believe anyone would think it's better to be unemployed than to play in Buffalo.

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1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

His uncle's hairdresser. 

No, your wifes Barber🤔

Or maybe that poor person thats grossly underpaid to live with you!

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1 hour ago, Livinginthepast said:

Both also probably have exaggerated opinions on their self worth. In any event it would be extremely foolish for either of these guys or anyone else who is a Free agent to be snobby about trying out for a team just because they may not like the coaching staff or the city. Sure there are funner cities than Buffalo but who cares, anywhere is amazing if you are millionaire!  Its also really bad for any free agents to be away from the game for any length of time. The amount of rust on these guys just becomes way too difficult to shake off. Watching someone like Manziel struggle in the CFL with Montreal just shows you that any time away from football is lethal for your career longevity. I can only assume that its the Bills who haven't bothered to contact these guys because they don't fit the "process" or the character requirement. Which is also pretty stupid under the circumstances.

Some cant accept when their skills begin to diminish. Alot of pro athletes are used to being on the top and when they fall off massive denial ensues. The past few years that ive seen Dez play he looked average at best. Slow and poor hand/eye coordination comes to mind. 

 

If Maclin and Dez dont wanna be here, then why pursue? This team is beginning to change the culture- with ten draft picks and 91 mil in cap space next season, Josh Allen should get some shiny new toys and better protection as well.

 

The key this year- continue to give Josh a chance to develop while excercising patience and not getting him killed. Last week he was upright most of the game, it would be nice for that to become a trend.

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2 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

If you build it, they will come....

 

I don't blame the notable WRs who want to win this year for not wanting to take a ride on this roller coaster. As for next year, if they're a FA WR, then they should be knowledgeable about how this team is being built for the years to come and want to be part of it. Allen will take his steps and grow, the Offensive line will improve and the team will become a strong contender once we make it through this year. And I'm not giving up entirely on the team this year, I'm merely point out that this year is so much more about setting the table for the years to come than it is about winning in 2018.

 

Well, the roller coaster works both ways. It is a gamble hiring prima washed up donnas. Beggers like Dez cannot be choosers. Don't play a whole year more if he wants. The almost nonexistent demand now will go to 0 demand for him and others like him next year. Players who are old and on the big decline and who have bigger heads and headaches than nfl teams want or need, are a dime a dozen.

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2 hours ago, jtothebrown said:

So many of us have been wondering why we havent signed any semi-notable wr's this year with the obvious need for help in that department.

 

I recently spoke to a very reliable source today that told me why! The Dez Bryants, Maclins, etc have turned us down. We go through the scrap heaps for a reason. 

 

So if you know  why, why ask us?

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2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

So if you know  why, why ask us?

He didn't ask us any questions though.  Whatchutalkinbout? 

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44 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

 

Trade and sign Tate. 

 

Why not just sign him in the offseason and keep your 3rd round pick in the process? I just don't see the rush personally; this team isn't going anywhere this year regardless.

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Maclin is a true pro.  I think we need that here.  He can't be asking for too much...* Just read he wants no part of the team.

 

Problem is, having a lot of cap room is great, but, a curse too.  Most good/great players don't hit free agency and those that do have an *.  The Bills don't have a core group of young talent worth re-upping now.  

 

It's bad enough that Buffalo has to overpay to get FA talent to consider playing there.

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2 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Why not just sign him in the offseason and keep your 3rd round pick in the process? I just don't see the rush personally; this team isn't going anywhere this year regardless.

 

Wouldnt give a third but would give a fifth which we have two of 

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1 minute ago, DCOrange said:

 

Why not just sign him in the offseason and keep your 3rd round pick in the process? I just don't see the rush personally; this team isn't going anywhere this year regardless.

 

Yep, the way I see it, this year is really about next year, and the year after that. By then you have an idea what you have with Allen and whether you need to go back to the QB well (I obviously hope not!). I’m not sure he’s the guy, but I like most of what they are doing.  Draft again next year like they seem to have last year? That could be special. 

 

BTW - if this projection continues as I see it now, I’d give these guys another shot at a QB if we don’t have “the guy”. Don’t start over unless the wheels totally fall of. 

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1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Yep, the way I see it, this year is really about next year, and the year after that. By then you have an idea what you have with Allen and whether you need to go back to the QB well (I obviously hope not!). I’m not sure he’s the guy, but I like most of what they are doing.  Draft again next year like they seem to have last year? That could be special. 

 

BTW - if this projection continues as I see it now, I’d give these guys another shot at a QB if we don’t have “the guy”. Don’t start over unless the wheels totally fall of. 

Ideally if Allen busts (hope not), we should have a good young foundation of a team for another rookie QB to rely on.  

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