SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 53 minutes ago, fansince88 said: Yes he has been improving. get him more touches please But but but Zay sucks!!! 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes he has been ok. He and Allen slowly building some chemistry. His routes have been pretty good. Hey man get with the program 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Fine, sign and release some WRs. Release every one we have and keep bringing in new ones until we find good ones And how long does it take for a QB and WR to be on the same page. Route Running is not just here is the route - Go. It is site adjustments, blitz recognition, variable routes depending on coverage. We saw it with TT - it takes several weeks for these guys to even get comfortable and for the QB to see his speed and how to lead them. WR is one of the more complex positions because you need to be in sync with the QB and it does not surprise me they have not just switched out the entire WR Corp. My guess is they are hoping for them to come together and you see them working out WRs weekly - they will begin to make small changes as the year goes along when they feel the bad play outplays the potential chemistry. I know we all want quick fixes, but many of these guys get picked up and dropped week after week and guys like Coleman got picked up, cut, NE practice Squad, and cut and is free, but people wanted the Bills to keep him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, BillsRdue said: Former Denver scrub who's been kicked around. Just our style. I think most of the future HOF guys have deals already. You never stop trying to get better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, fansince88 said: Yes he has been improving. get him more touches please To be honest move Jones to the 1 spot and tell Kelvin no effort Benjamin to park his ass on the bench until he feels like playing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: And how long does it take for a QB and WR to be on the same page. Route Running is not just here is the route - Go. It is site adjustments, blitz recognition, variable routes depending on coverage. We saw it with TT - it takes several weeks for these guys to even get comfortable and for the QB to see his speed and how to lead them. WR is one of the more complex positions because you need to be in sync with the QB and it does not surprise me they have not just switched out the entire WR Corp. My guess is they are hoping for them to come together and you see them working out WRs weekly - they will begin to make small changes as the year goes along when they feel the bad play outplays the potential chemistry. I know we all want quick fixes, but many of these guys get picked up and dropped week after week and guys like Coleman got picked up, cut, NE practice Squad, and cut and is free, but people wanted the Bills to keep him. Sometimes I just want to frame your post and hang it on TSW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: The funny part is if we cut Benjamin, Robert Foster and Andre Holmes right now and replaced them with 3 free agents Dez Bryant, Rishard Matthews and Jeremy Maclin and made them our 3 starters right off the bat, our receiver core would be so much more improved. All 3 of these guys are much better than what's on our roster I'd be for this in a NY minute. Why Matthews and Maclin haven't been brought in to be looked at is hard to comprehend. KB is a loss of down player at this point. ZJ has a lot to learn. Holmes has no business being on any roster and Foster can't catch a cold in the Buffalo winter. We have to at least try something. What we are doing is not working. 12 hours ago, Augie said: I think most of the future HOF guys have deals already. You never stop trying to get better. Better is what Buffalo03 and most of us agree on. Fowler is a notch below all three of these guys, but better than Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: I'd be for this in a NY minute. Why Matthews and Maclin haven't been brought in to be looked at is hard to comprehend. KB is a loss of down player at this point. ZJ has a lot to learn. Holmes has no business being on any roster and Foster can't catch a cold in the Buffalo winter. We have to at least try something. What we are doing is not working. Better is what Buffalo03 and most of us agree on. Fowler is a notch below all three of these guys, but better than Holmes. How KB could be quite this bad is a mystery, but it’s hard to argue there’s not somebody on the planet who could offer more. I never expected too much from Holmes, so that’s less perplexing. I don’t pretend to know the correct answer, but this is ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If I see Allen making all kinds of 2 step quick passes to WR's on target at their break and they drop those passes I will start blaming WR's As it stands now are WR's are not great but I am not placing the full blame on them until Allen exhausts himself hitting them in stride in close coverage with quick strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: And how long does it take for a QB and WR to be on the same page. Route Running is not just here is the route - Go. It is site adjustments, blitz recognition, variable routes depending on coverage. We saw it with TT - it takes several weeks for these guys to even get comfortable and for the QB to see his speed and how to lead them. WR is one of the more complex positions because you need to be in sync with the QB and it does not surprise me they have not just switched out the entire WR Corp. My guess is they are hoping for them to come together and you see them working out WRs weekly - they will begin to make small changes as the year goes along when they feel the bad play outplays the potential chemistry. I know we all want quick fixes, but many of these guys get picked up and dropped week after week and guys like Coleman got picked up, cut, NE practice Squad, and cut and is free, but people wanted the Bills to keep him. I agree need QB and WR on same page and that takes some reps. Brandon Reilly and Allen should have some chemistry from camp. He seems to get open, and he cannot possibly be any worse than the play we have seen so far. Would love to see him have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 41 minutes ago, ddaryl said: If I see Allen making all kinds of 2 step quick passes to WR's on target at their break and they drop those passes I will start blaming WR's As it stands now are WR's are not great but I am not placing the full blame on them until Allen exhausts himself hitting them in stride in close coverage with quick strikes. Arent we leading the league in dropped passes? Why does it matter if its 2 steps or 3 steps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Just now, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: Arent we leading the league in dropped passes? Why does it matter if its 2 steps or 3 steps? why because if you can't make the quick throws you can't force the D to be honest and therefore you will face 8 in the box and a pass rush in your face consistently. Allen needs ot make the read at the LOS adjust and throw quick strikes to the hot read yes we lead the league in dropped passes, but Allen hasn't been throwing many on target either and I say he has thrown more off target then WR's have dropped. SO when I start seeing Allen up his game and still see WR's dropping passes then I will move the blame over to the WR's more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: why because if you can't make the quick throws you can't force the D to be honest and therefore you will face 8 in the box and a pass rush in your face consistently. Allen needs ot make the read at the LOS adjust and throw quick strikes to the hot read yes we lead the league in dropped passes, but Allen hasn't been throwing many on target either and I say he has thrown more off target then WR's have dropped. SO when I start seeing Allen up his game and still see WR's dropping passes then I will move the blame over to the WR's more so. Allen can be struggling and the receivers also bad, its not either/or. To me, if we're dropping the most passes in the league then we're not very good at WR, regardless of what we think of Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: Allen can be struggling and the receivers also bad, its not either/or. To me, if we're dropping the most passes in the league then we're not very good at WR, regardless of what we think of Allen. and I blame Allen's inexperience more so than the WR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: why because if you can't make the quick throws you can't force the D to be honest and therefore you will face 8 in the box and a pass rush in your face consistently. Allen needs ot make the read at the LOS adjust and throw quick strikes to the hot read yes we lead the league in dropped passes, but Allen hasn't been throwing many on target either and I say he has thrown more off target then WR's have dropped. SO when I start seeing Allen up his game and still see WR's dropping passes then I will move the blame over to the WR's more so. This past game josh had more inaccurate passes but i. Previous games wide receivers had chances to make plays on balls and simply did not make them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Tehis past game josh had more inaccurate passes but i. Previous games wide receivers had chances to make plays on balls and simply did not make them This past game had Josh not making many accurate passes. A few dumps offs but a lot of bad throws downfield. Their really has been only 1 game where his WRs have failed him.. That was week 2 after that they have not been great but Allen hasn't made enough quality passes to put blame on WR's IMO. I need to see Josh hit WR's in stride more often and while coverage is tight and then see WR dropping those passes before I can place the blame on the WR's. Not saying we couldn't use an upgrade but I am saying Josh needs to improve more than our WR's do to make the biggest immediate difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said: I agree need QB and WR on same page and that takes some reps. Brandon Reilly and Allen should have some chemistry from camp. He seems to get open, and he cannot possibly be any worse than the play we have seen so far. Would love to see him have a shot. I agree - I would not mind seeing him make his way back to this squad. I would love to see a KB trade and a re-signing of Reilly or Streeter - potentially a small drop off with some Reps already in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 19 hours ago, Buffalo30 said: Sometimes a new team is just what a player needs. Jordan Phillips was feeling the new atmosphere here. Sometimes just that difference in atmosphere is all it takes for a player to turn it up. Who knows? Jordan Phillips was also a 2nd rd pick out of Oklahoma Fowler is an undrafted free agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 19 hours ago, billsfan_34 said: There is nothing of quality out there but I wouldnt want to replace crap with crap. Seriously, Fowler is like day old beach diaper crap too. One of the few wrs id pass on on the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 59 minutes ago, ddaryl said: This past game had Josh not making many accurate passes. A few dumps offs but a lot of bad throws downfield. Their really has been only 1 game where his WRs have failed him.. That was week 2 after that they have not been great but Allen hasn't made enough quality passes to put blame on WR's IMO. I need to see Josh hit WR's in stride more often and while coverage is tight and then see WR dropping those passes before I can place the blame on the WR's. Not saying we couldn't use an upgrade but I am saying Josh needs to improve more than our WR's do to make the biggest immediate difference These wide receivers are dropping TOUCHDOWNS THAT HIT THEM RIGHT IN THE HANDS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes he has been ok. He and Allen slowly building some chemistry. His routes have been pretty good. Finding ways to get him open more often underneath will be important to Allen's progress this year. 3 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said: Jordan Phillips was also a 2nd rd pick out of Oklahoma Fowler is an undrafted free agent As if zero undrafted free agents have ever made a difference on a team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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