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On 10/1/2018 at 10:17 PM, zonabb said:

McD is not Andy Reid. Kid is good but Reid and the weapons are huges reason for is success, as well as the patience to sit him for a year. Most wanted to play Allen right away and that was and is a mistake. I think Allen's collapse (eventual) and Mahomes success (eventual) will cost this regime. QBs cost management their jobs. 

 

Pegulla can only blame himself.  Who hires a coach first, let’s him run the draft with a lame duck GM, then hires a GM after the draft???

 

maybe a really good experienced GM would have picked Mahomes with our 16 pick?  Then the 15 GMs ahead of us could be fired too. 

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8 hours ago, Yav said:

You and people here are the ones not letting it go. 

 

I don't like Mahomes and I despise the Chefs. Again, I'm not willing to crown him with any titles after a few weeks. Lets see if he can sustain the success first. Prescott looked great for a season and then what? 

 

And just so you don't try and spin this as just a dislike for a player, I really can't stand Brady and New England, yet I can give credit where credit is due, Brady is one of the best to ever play the game. 

At what point would you admit we should have picked Mahomes? I'm seriously asking. I feel like people push off the judgment down the line until they can say "Stop living in the past!"

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4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Again he will finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs.. and with worse stats than Brady.. so what’s your point? That he puts up great stats and still loses? What is he the lions QB NOW? Lol

LOL.  Tough take on a night like tonight.

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Let's not put Mahomes in the hall of fame just yet. I feel like we went through a similar discussion about Derek Carr about 4-5 years ago, and how has that worked out for him?

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11 minutes ago, Talkin Proud said:

Let's not put Mahomes in the hall of fame just yet. I feel like we went through a similar discussion about Derek Carr about 4-5 years ago, and how has that worked out for him?

Uhm.  One of the better young QB's in the NFL?

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55 minutes ago, Chemical said:

At what point would you admit we should have picked Mahomes? I'm seriously asking. I feel like people push off the judgment down the line until they can say "Stop living in the past!"

Never. He clearly wasn’t what the Bills wanted and I seriously doubt he would be doing anything with the WR group the Bills have.

 

the question is at what point would you admit no QB is going to look good with the Bills WRs? 

 

I feel like people come to judgement too fast because they are living in the past. 

 

Time will tell on Mahomes. Sure 5 games in and playing with a stacked offensive roster he looks good, but again Prescott looked great playing behind the best OL at the time in football and with Elliot running the ball with success, but nobody now is saying Prescott is a future HOFer. 

 

Everything needs to be taken in perspective.

 

hes had a good start (5 games) playing with great playmakers at RB, TE & WR. 

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17 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Uhm.  One of the better young QB's in the NFL?

 

 

Well the Raiders are 1-4 he can't be that great. And they were 6-10 last year. That's all my point was. 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Talkin Proud said:

 

 

Well the Raiders are 1-4 he can't be that great. And they were 6-10 last year. That's all my point was. 

 

 

Oh. Well he’s pretty good. You should watch him some time.

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5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Again he will finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs.. and with worse stats than Brady.. so what’s your point? That he puts up great stats and still loses? What is he the lions QB NOW? Lol

Ohhhhh noooooooooooooooooooooo

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1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Uhm.  One of the better young QB's in the NFL?

Really?

 

Because raider fans def dont feel that way....they feel that they got a guy who had a ton of promise in that first year and then backslid badly.....right now the guy is an interception machine and cant put hi team on his back and win

 

Not saying that is gonna be Mahommes because I honestly dont know......but lets not act like Carr is playing well right now

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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Really?

 

Because raider fans def dont feel that way....they feel that they got a guy who had a ton of promise in that first year and then backslid badly.....right now the guy is an interception machine and cant put hi team on his back and win

 

Not saying that is gonna be Mahommes because I honestly dont know......but lets not act like Carr is playing well right now

 

Odd post. Carr is 5th in yards, 4th in completion percentage, and 8th in YPA, Just going to throw this out there but it's possible Carr is just fine. 

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1 minute ago, VW82 said:

 

Odd post. Carr is 5th in yards, 4th in completion percentage, and 8th in YPA, Just going to throw this out there but it's possible Carr is just fine. 

He is also turning the ball over at the worst times and his team is not winning

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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

He is also turning the ball over at the worst times and his team is not winning

Neither is ours. And Derek Carr has thrown 110 TD’s to 52 INTs in his career.

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1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

He is also turning the ball over at the worst times and his team is not winning

 

The turnovers haven't been great though he's had a few really unlucky ones. I'd argue his team isn't winning because their defense sucks and their head coach shouldn't be a head coach. 

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Right now, I'd put Carr in the Tannehill/ Matt Stafford catagory. 

 

And my original comparison was that Mahomes could easily fall into that catagory as well. 

 

Don't underestimate the Andy Reid factor, that guy is an offensive Mastermind.

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14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Really?

 

Because raider fans def dont feel that way....they feel that they got a guy who had a ton of promise in that first year and then backslid badly.....right now the guy is an interception machine and cant put hi team on his back and win

 

Not saying that is gonna be Mahommes because I honestly dont know......but lets not act like Carr is playing well right now

Carr also was an MVP candidate in his third year, and won 12 games as a starter, so this "backslid after a first year" is just completely wrong.  Let's try to pay attention to the league a little more.

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2 hours ago, Talkin Proud said:

Let's not put Mahomes in the hall of fame just yet. I feel like we went through a similar discussion about Derek Carr about 4-5 years ago, and how has that worked out for him?

 

Derek carr never played as well as mahomes has in granted, what is a limited sample size. Yet choose any 5 game stretch from his career and I'm pretty sure he never matches it. 

33 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Carr also was an MVP candidate in his third year, and won 12 games as a starter, so this "backslid after a first year" is just completely wrong.  Let's try to pay attention to the league a little more.

 

Yea Carr's first year stats were not impressive. I didn't watch a lot of them that year, but I kept hearing about him and I'd look at his stats like wtf? 

 

But I guess he showed flashes and 2nd yr was when he came alive

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2016 the Raiders went 12-4. Looked every bit as good as Mahomes does now, he looked like the new Tom Brady. Bills fans were flipping out that we could have drafted him. One good winning season, then a handful of... Not winning seasons. Plus he wears eyeliner.

 

What about Dak Prescott? He had that one magical season too. 

 

Mahommes is PROBABLY just the flavor of the week, he's only had 5 games. Again, not fitting him for a gold jacket quite yet.

 

Or maybe he will be the new Tom Brady. Who knows. 

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47 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Carr also was an MVP candidate in his third year, and won 12 games as a starter, so this "backslid after a first year" is just completely wrong.  Let's try to pay attention to the league a little more.

If you cannot tell that Carr has not fallen off his fast start I dont know what to tell you.....if Josh Allen end up being Carr good in his career ppl like you will be losing their damn minds and falling over themselves to criticize him (even more then you doing after 5 friggen games)

 

Your takes are so lame

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31 page long thread.

 

Has anyone been fired regarding the Mahomes mishap yet?

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

31 page long thread.

 

Has anyone been fired regarding the Mahomes mishap yet?

 

 

Doug Whaley the actual GM during the draft?

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2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Neither is ours. And Derek Carr has thrown 110 TD’s to 52 INTs in his career.

At totally different stages of their careers

 

You do realize that QBs mature at different rates right.....and to expect greatness from a raw rookie is a little overboard right?

 

He should not even be playing this first year......

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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

If you cannot tell that Carr has not fallen off his fast start I dont know what to tell you.....if Josh Allen end up being Carr good in his career ppl like you will be losing their damn minds and falling over themselves to criticize him (even more then you doing after 5 friggen games)

 

Your takes are so lame

Carr HAS definitely fallen....I thought his rookie year, he was going to be a really good QB for a long time.. (wich as a Chiefs fan, I was pissed about) ...so this is a fair point from John...I don't think Mahomes will have this problem....but it's plausible.  Also...Carr just has not been the same at all since his major injury....and this stat below pretty much shows how far he has fallen off.

 

#Raiders Derek Carr - red zone QBR by year (source: ESPN)

2014 - 96.9

2015 - 51.1

2016 - 41.7

2017 - 29.7

2018 - 14.8

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10 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Wow! First Allen is a rookie on a team devoid of any real talent on O outside of your RB.  While Mahommes has Elite talent at WR/TE and RB.  The Bills O line is scarier than any horror movie while Mahommes has a top 7 line.   Third, Allen is a true rookie never having the chance to learn under a good QB, while Mahommes sat for a year under a decent QB..

 

i understand not liking yiur QB but to be so unfair I. Your judgement IMO is wrong.. your comparing Apples and Oranges here.

No I'm not comparing anything Mahomes is far and away the better QB. I never liked Allen I believe he has all the physical tools but that's about it. I want him to succeed i really do but I believe he will never get the mental part of the Gm to be elite. I'm still seeing Allen make the same mistakes he had at Wyoming.  He has tendency to leave a clean pocket way to early.  Doesn't seem to have a plan to attack the D on a play to play basis. Very inaccurate at times.  Plays with no anticipation or timing.  I'm sorry these are major red flags . Its my opinion but I believe Allen will never be an elite Franchise QB. Maybe he can be a Flacco type but that's his ceiling. 

 

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4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Really?

 

Because raider fans def dont feel that way....they feel that they got a guy who had a ton of promise in that first year and then backslid badly.....right now the guy is an interception machine and cant put hi team on his back and win

 

Not saying that is gonna be Mahommes because I honestly dont know......but lets not act like Carr is playing well right now

 

Believe me Derek Carr is absolutely dead last in the Raiders long list of problems. 

 

He comes after the owner, the castrated GM, the nutjob coach, every other player, Oakland itself, Las Vegas, Gruden's visor and a sweaty old jock Khalil Mack left behind be accident. 

 

Carr is playing pretty good ball this season. He struggled some last year for sure, but so far this year he is literally the only thing worth holding onto if you are a Raider. 

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