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You're talking to the wrong group of people here.

They're the ones that voted overwhelmingly in a thread last week they'd rather have Allen than Mahomes... Why? Who the hell knows. Inaccuracy & "potential" over record-breaking, MVP caliber results I guess. 

 

The insanity here hit new highs after the Vikings win. 

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It takes the best scouts money can buy to ID the right players. Whaley was good at scouting pro personnel btw.

 

The HC has the most say on QB . Marrone panned EJ at the start and was right.

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15 minutes ago, ALF said:

It takes the best scouts money can buy to ID the right players. Whaley was good at scouting pro personnel btw.

 

The HC has the most say on QB . Marrone panned EJ at the start and was right.

 

And funny enough, fans also bashed him, as well as Nathaniel Hackett. Man, people hated Hackett...and hated Marrone for keeping him around.

Then everyone talks crap about what a great situation they left, and how the team will improve now that his crappy offense is gone, even though like you said, he never wanted EJ.

 

Well don't look now, but Marrone & Hackett got the last laugh. They had Blake Bortles play the best of his career & were a quarter away from going to the Super Bowl beating the Pats in the AFC Championship game. Here they are again this year still playing great, with Bortles on pace to throw for around 4,400 yards, 28 TD's & 12 INT's. 

And like I've been saying for years now, these offensive coordinators call plays KNOWING who they have in the personnel department. If their QB sucks balls, expect a limited & very specific set of plays. Whether it's Hackett, or Roman, or Dennison, when you have QB's like EJ & Tyrod behind center, you're not left with a playbook that's really going to stifle any opponents. But time & time again fans cry foul when execution on the field is horrendous, and blame the OC. 

Just watch all of Allen's passes from last week in this video, and see how many errant & inaccurate throws he made...even when he had protection & ample time to throw  - 

 


Something tells me we're still going to get to that same point we always do....blame the OC & start over next year. Maybe one of these days we'll luck into a McVay & it'll all be worth it. 

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6 hours ago, Zerovotlz said:

 

Just a counter to the Fire whoever passed on Mahomes thread....just pointing out the vast majority of the fanbase wanted to trade out and pass on Mahomes.

That’s not how I read those threads.  It was being reported that the Bills were looking to trade down and people were mostly trying to surmise who they would trade with and what the trade down would reap.  And anyway, the fact that lots of fans were ok with the trade down at the time does not let Bills front office off the hook and doesn’t mean we can’t criticize it now. They are ultimately accountable.  And if Allen becomes a very good QB, all’s forgiven.  I’m sure at this stage of RGIII’s career, Redskins fans were over the moon with their big trade up in the 2012 draft.  

 

At any rate, even as of now, it’s not the worst trade in the world. At a minimum, with the lower first round pick, we got what looks like a perennial pro bowl player at a premium position.  My real anger is directed at whomever let the offensive talent on this team become so horribly depleted.

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55 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

You're talking to the wrong group of people here.

They're the ones that voted overwhelmingly in a thread last week they'd rather have Allen than Mahomes... Why? Who the hell knows. Inaccuracy & "potential" over record-breaking, MVP caliber results I guess. 

 

The insanity here hit new highs after the Vikings win. 

What? This happened? 

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9 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Mahomes would look no different than Allen on this team in this offense.

Stop.   That is delusional nonsense.  Mahomes is miles and miles ahead of Allen (and Darnold and Rosen) at this moment.  There’s really no denying that.  The question is, will Allen close the gap and how soon will he do it?

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Another amusing thing I've been wanting to bring up... that defense of Allen saying "he played in Wyoming, so he'll be good in the wind!"

You know who else played in the wind (and insane, unpredictable weather)? Patrick Mahomes. Lubbock, Texas is always on top of craziest weather lists, and Lubbock is ranked the 3rd windiest city in the United States by Weather Channel - http://keyj.com/abilene-makes-the-weather-channels-top-10-list-of-windiest-cities-in-america/

For reference, Buffalo is ranked 10th, so there's that.

And in 2013 when Weather Channel did their "Toughest Weather City Tournament," guess which city took #1? Yeah...Lubbock, Texas - https://weather.com/sports-recreation/march-madness/news/toughest-weather-city-tournament-20130315

 

So if we wanted someone who could play in harsh, windy weather, it seems that guy tearing it up in KC right now would've worked out pretty darn well.

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This threads will keep popping up so I'll keep responding the same way. Unless drafting Mahomes meant also getting the playmakers he has around him and Andy Reid as head coach...

 

It's not to take anything away from Mahomes but to deny that he didn't inherit a playoff team with one of the best head coaches in the league is a little nuts. And to say Allen wouldn't be great in his own regard in a situation like that is also crazy.

 

I would say that if Mahomes makes or breaks your fanhood of the Bills, buy his jersey, get yourself Sunday ticket and root for the Chiefs.

 

The rest of us will keep watching the Bills, understanding that we have a raw rookie QB behind a non existent offensive line with zero playmakers and will keep hoping that this trial by fire will help Allen learn what he needs to.

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On 10/1/2018 at 11:36 PM, 17 Josh Allen said:

Ah and a Legend is born in one of the most hostile environments in football. Best home record in NFL since 1970 merger. Me and Jeffsmagic tried to warn you during that draft. Yes this is billsareback i’ve since changed my name to 17 Josh Allen. You guys need to step up and admit you were wrong. Pay backs are a B word no he’s not a 4th round pick and a loser like many predicted back when we had that draft discussions. Own it, you guys were wrong, me and jeffsmagic were right 

 

FYI--you were a full year behind @Blokestradamus and this one other poster--can't remember his name--in coming around on Mahomes.

 

 

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18 hours ago, Klaista2k said:

Dude are you trolling or just stupid? 

 

I don't even know how to respond to crap like this. 

you're going to make it far on these boards. attacking me and not providing any context is the mark of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. let me dumb it down for you, so you "know how to respond to this crap"

 

-Mahomes is doing well partly because he has talented offensive players surrounding him (including a top 5 RB and two Top 25 pass catchers).

-They have the 8th best pass protection through 4 weeks. 

-Their coach is an all-time great and has produced great offensive numbers with other, less talented QBs, through WC schemes (mcnabb, old vick, alex smith, kolb, young favre) 

-Nine other teams had a chance to draft him and didn't.

 

 

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4 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

And funny enough, fans also bashed him, as well as Nathaniel Hackett. Man, people hated Hackett...and hated Marrone for keeping him around.

Then everyone talks crap about what a great situation they left, and how the team will improve now that his crappy offense is gone, even though like you said, he never wanted EJ.

 

Well don't look now, but Marrone & Hackett got the last laugh. They had Blake Bortles play the best of his career & were a quarter away from going to the Super Bowl beating the Pats in the AFC Championship game. Here they are again this year still playing great, with Bortles on pace to throw for around 4,400 yards, 28 TD's & 12 INT's. 

And like I've been saying for years now, these offensive coordinators call plays KNOWING who they have in the personnel department. If their QB sucks balls, expect a limited & very specific set of plays. Whether it's Hackett, or Roman, or Dennison, when you have QB's like EJ & Tyrod behind center, you're not left with a playbook that's really going to stifle any opponents. But time & time again fans cry foul when execution on the field is horrendous, and blame the OC. 

Just watch all of Allen's passes from last week in this video, and see how many errant & inaccurate throws he made...even when he had protection & ample time to throw  - 

 


Something tells me we're still going to get to that same point we always do....blame the OC & start over next year. Maybe one of these days we'll luck into a McVay & it'll all be worth it. 

I realize that you thrive on being miserable.....but to make these kind of blanket statements on a rookie qb is beyond moronic.

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I think the real question is if Allen was on the chiefs would he look as good as Mahomes and if you answered yes you are probably not being honest with yourself. The real reason we don’t have mahomes is because we were caught with our pants down and weren’t ready to take a qb high because proper mgmt wasn’t in place and that blame goes directly to pegula. If the bills had selected mahomes then he could have sat for a year under tyrod, you could have kept Watkins Glenn Dareus  still had picks this year that could have been used in a different way, all of a sudden the team looks completely different. 

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14 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

I think the real question is if Allen was on the chiefs would he look as good as Mahomes and if you answered yes you are probably not being honest with yourself. The real reason we don’t have mahomes is because we were caught with our pants down and weren’t ready to take a qb high because proper mgmt wasn’t in place and that blame goes directly to pegula. If the bills had selected mahomes then he could have sat for a year under tyrod, you could have kept Watkins Glenn Dareus  still had picks this year that could have been used in a different way, all of a sudden the team looks completely different. 

We’ll see next week when he travels to New England and Brady gets his hands on the supppsed new sheriff in town 

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On 10/1/2018 at 11:10 PM, sven233 said:

Wanted us to take him.....  Kind of understood the trade down, especially since there wasn't a GM in place and the hype about this year's QB class, but everything I watched of Mahomes in college said the kid had just as much of a chance to succeed as anyone else.  Was hoping we would take the shot, but it just didn't happen.

 

And of course, as soon as the Bills passed on him, he was guaranteed to be a superstar because..........  well, that's just the way it goes.

 

That said, if Mahomes was playing here in our offense, he wouldn't be doing what he is doing.  He has the best weapons in the NFL around him with one of the best offensive minds of all time.  We have the worst set of skilled position talent, on top of a brutal o-line, perhaps in the history of the NFL.

 

It's way to early to make a blanket statement about Mahomes and Allen.  I am not sure how long we will have to wait to do so, but to say Allen won't be good at this point is crazy.  But it's up to McBean to put some real talent around him and in front of him in order t find out what Allen is.  And this is coming from someone that wasn't the biggest Allen fan in college.  I just think it is unfair at this point for anyone to write anything in stone positively or negatively about either guy.

This is true we don’t have any weapons to support him but we also would have had an entire year and a full stock of draft picks last year to acquire a ton of weapons and OLine if we didn’t !@#$ up and pass on him. We wouldn’t have had to get rid of Glenn give away a ton of picks to get Allen could have took Edmunds with our pick things would be a lot different in the bills locker room if they took Mahomes 

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funny how a feared "product of the Air Raid" , the scheme of leprosy, is now accepted because he's doing "ok" at NFL level.....

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3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I realize that you thrive on being miserable.....but to make these kind of blanket statements on a rookie qb is beyond moronic.

 

2 or more td’s vs jags and you can stop trolling the NFL’s best QB.  

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2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

2 or more td’s vs jags and you can stop trolling the NFL’s best QB.  

Im not trolling him....he is obviously a hit.

 

I am saying we need to worry about our own back yard and now what someone else got for Christmas

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3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Im not trolling him....he is obviously a hit.

 

I am saying we need to worry about our own back yard and now what someone else got for Christmas

 

Our backyard looks better with Taron Johnson and Terrell Edmunds as young playmakers.  

 

If they can get Allen a Strong OL, I think good things would happen. 

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Just now, Teddy KGB said:

 

Our backyard looks better with Taron Johnson and Terrell Edmunds as young playmakers.  

 

If they can get Allen a Strong OL, I think good things would happen. 

Agreed

Kansas City has been toiling right along with us....they deserve for something good to happen to them.

 

I personally like the toys I got under my tree.

 

You know.....this reminded me of something completely unrelated the other day.

 

When I was stationed in cape code my neighbor was a breeder of championship show dogs (German Shepards) and Sadie Reno had won a lot of competitions (the female)

 

I wanted to get my then 3 year old son a dog for Christmas......and Sadie had just had a litter of pups....the problem is I was a Airman Basic and broke as $($* and these pups were going for 600 dollars a piece.

 

I gave the owner 100 bucks.....a bunch of video games I was done playing....and mowed his lawn for 6 months in trade....and for that I could have a puppy that came out classified as a "blue" which means it did not have the black and tan showdog lines but looked more like a wolf......nobody else that was paying the high price wanted him and I happily took him.

 

That dog ended up growing the most healthy, lived the longest, and actually ended up saving my sons life from a coyote when my then dumbass wife left him along in the plaground on a child swing next to the forest treeline.   Absolutely the best dog I ever owned and while he had the potential to be a monster of a dog (you can tell by the paws as a puppy) nobody wanted him........

 

Owners would bring their dogs back routinely as they got older....I would bring my dog over so everyone could see how they are doing.....and my dog used to bully the **** out of those other dogs.....he didnt look like much to start but was the envy of the litter at the end.

 

I dont know why I thought of this when I think of the start of Josh Allen's career....but I did

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On 10/2/2018 at 7:56 PM, oldmanfan said:

I've asked once and will ask again:  show us posts from the predraft period in 2017.  Show us where you claimed Mahomes would be so good.  Or stop the nonsense.

Was that before the server upgrade? I don't think old posts were migrated from before then.

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On 10/3/2018 at 3:40 PM, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Thanks, if I wanted to listen to whatever crap McDermott would say I'd just replay any of his comments to the media after the Baltimore loss.

 

Lol at you. I can't believe people are going to fall for these excuses again.

 

As an example of your ridiculousness I'll point out that Darby never even played a game in this scheme, yet if anyone criticizes the offense they throw out it has only been 4 games. 

 

 

And when I want to hear nonsense, I'll seek out your posts, they're an endless source.

 

Your last paragraph is logically the same as saying "I'll point out that oranges are fruit, yet trains are not." Both true, but having absolutely nothing to do with each other.

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15 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

And when I want to hear nonsense, I'll seek out your posts, they're an endless source.

 

Your last paragraph is logically the same as saying "I'll point out that oranges are fruit, yet trains are not." Both true, but having absolutely nothing to do with each other.

 

You're wacked if you think Darby couldn't have played here. The cap hell ****, and then you're saying it's too early to judge the offense. 

 

You can believe that **** if you want. I don't buy it. So far, you're not right. They're 1-3, on their way to an awful year. The record will speak for itself. If I'm wrong in 2 years, I'll own it.

 

I'm pretty confident I won't be wrong and you'll be the one not owning any of that.

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On ‎10‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 11:23 AM, 17 Josh Allen said:

Wrong me Billsareback and Jeffsmagic did we called our shots and said he was hall of fame material and once in a generation QB and would lead the chiefs to multiple superbowls. We both started threads about this during the draft process and we were  ridiculed and ran off the boards. Jeff quit over it. I Love josh allen but mahomes is better. So please just stop there were a few of us on these boards that warned you all and all you did was ridiculed us and made fun of us. Step up and take your medicine Nay sayers. What will you say this week when he goes into Jacksonville and destroys them. What he does can not be  taught 

He is a once and a life time talent. The chiefs said that right after drafting him. 

you will get over it/yourself lol

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On 10/4/2018 at 3:19 AM, Teddy KGB said:

 

Ummm he’s carrying a team on his own in real time 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️😂

I see that, 2 ints and a D that did the job, but yea he carried them. 

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