K-9 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, dubs said: Josh Rosen is a rich mans Nate Peterman. J/K....rookies do rookie things. It’s happening to Baker, Darnold, Rosen and obviously Allen. People need to chill out and realize that there are no conclusions to be had on these guys for a while. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SWATeam said: So what is that your criticisms, or lack thereof, are driven by your preconceptions. Had Rosen looked good last night, this place would have been lousy with "I told you so!" Since he looked like Peterman, his supporters resort to the same excuses that Allen supporters use. It's all very predictable. Are they? Point to one inaccurate thing I have posted about either Rosen or Allen. This should be good. Edited October 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I have said repeatedly in multiple threads that Allen was put in a bad situation with a poor supporting cast, but that doesn't excuse the areas that he needs to show growth in. Same goes for Rosen, who didn't play well last night with some poor throws and ball security issues. Rosen has a way better cast which you refuse to acknowledge. Larry Fitzgerald’s corpse would be our #1 WR by a large margin. David Johnson is better, younger and fresher than McCoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, SWATeam said: So what is that your criticisms, or lack thereof, are driven by your preconceptions. Had Rosen looked good last night, this place would have been lousy with "I told you so!" Since he looked like Peterman, his supporters resort to the same excuses that Allen supporters use. It's all very predictable. The difference (to me at least) is that there's a very reasonable explanation as to why someone might be an 'Allen supporter' on this particular messageboard, whereas I don't see why anyone would extend Rosen the benefit of the doubt while being so negative on Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, K-9 said: I appreciate the insight here. But there is a segment of the fan base that delights in Rosen's failures because that somehow shows he's worse than our guy. And that is an entirely illogical approach. Since when is being a Sports fan logical? Least of all a Bills fan?? All of it means precisely nothing. But it’s fun to rage I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, GoBills808 said: The difference (to me at least) is that there's a very reasonable explanation as to why someone might be an 'Allen supporter' on this particular messageboard, whereas I don't see why anyone would extend Rosen the benefit of the doubt while being so negative on Allen. Just so they could be "right" about their pre-draft opinions on the players. Personally, I liked Rosen more than Allen. But I certainly don't pretend to know more then the teams with actual access to these kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bakin said: Since when is being a Sports fan logical? Least of all a Bills fan?? All of it means precisely nothing. But it’s fun to rage I guess. Can't argue that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Nobody thought any of the rookie QB's drafted this year were ready to start. Most thought they would be a back up until later in the season or next season. Aside from Darnold they were all backups. The only reason all of them are playing is because of ineffective starters ahead of them. None of them won the starting job outright. We sit here and compare them all through the same lense when each one is in a different situation. Only thing they have in common is they are all on bad teams. They will all have good moments, bad moments, and horrible moments this season. Nobody can say what type of NFL career they will have by watching a handful of games. Watson said in his second season he is way ahead of where he was when he was a rookie. If half way through next season Allen is still having the same problems then it may be time to look to the draft again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, K-9 said: I appreciate the insight here. But there is a segment of the fan base that delights in Rosen's failures because that somehow shows he's worse than our guy. And that is an entirely illogical approach. it isn't personal with Rosen. it IS personal with the "wrong josh" set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 (edited) Rosen has Allen beat in one stat, decidedly. Coach killings. I know...I’m trolling sorry. ? Edited October 19, 2018 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbills Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I think Rosen has looked better than Allen, regardless of his INTs. Allen and Rosen actually have the same # of INTs. Allen was the riskier pick for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: it isn't personal with Rosen. it IS personal with the "wrong josh" set. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Casey D said: Exactly. Which means exactly nothing about how things will turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: 180 yards 1 td ? What was the good part ? He wasn't Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: He wasn't Josh Allen. And this is the crux of it. Somehow, with similar or WORSE numbers...that group of people think Rosen was the better choice. boggling, really. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, paulbills said: I think Rosen has looked better than Allen, regardless of his INTs. Allen and Rosen actually have the same # of INTs. Allen was the riskier pick for sure. Two of Allen's picks were bad plays by his receivers....... Allen's ball security appears to be better then Rosen's at this point I will say this in Rosen's defense...he is by the eyeball test more accurate with the ball right now.......even if he is making poor decisions with it and even if his supporting cast is better........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: Two of Allen's picks were bad plays by his receivers....... Allen's ball security appears to be better then Rosen's at this point I will say this in Rosen's defense...he is by the eyeball test more accurate with the ball right now.......even if he is making poor decisions with it and even if his supporting cast is better........ It isn't. The ARI OL is bad and it''s been made worse by two starting Guards being out of the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Which means exactly nothing about how things will turn out. Of course not. No one does. But many have and continue to claim Rosen is superior, based on no facts. They preferred Rosen and that's that. If Allen ends up in the HOF and Rosen is bagging groceries in 2021, it will be because McCoy ruined him or some such thing. None of the rookies look great-- hardly surprising at this juncture. But for everyone other than Allen, "it's let see how it turns out." For Allen the view is he was always going to be a bust, and he has busted. Double standard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: And this is the crux of it. Somehow, with similar or WORSE numbers...that group of people think Rosen was the better choice. boggling, really. As always, the easiest thing a fan of the NFL can do is predict failure, which leads to the second easiest thing they can do; say "I told you so." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It isn't. The ARI OL is bad and it''s been made worse by two starting Guards being out of the lineup. It is actually....and I am referring to his offensive weapons. Corner....Im trying to back you up a bit here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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