H2o Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The few remaining Tyrod defenders will finally give up the good fight? I fear you may be wrong my friend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Klaista2k said: Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. First, we do NOT know that the Browns narrowed the QB down to Allen and Mayfield. Second, if we are to assume that Mayfield will pan out and be a great QB (that's not demonstrated yet) that says absolutely nothing about the quality of Allen, even if we assume the Browns did have him as their other finalist. You have presented a false cause logical fallacy, suggesting that because A is true, B must also be true, and that the two are connected with A causing B. In actuality, there is nothing about Baker Mayfield's play that causes Josh Allen's play to be good or bad. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I thought Mayfield was the best of the group and that Allen would not turn out to be a good NFL QB. It's way too early to know, but I have seen nothing to contradict it, yet. I forgot the exact numbers, but Mayfield got rid of the ball much faster than Taylor, yesterday. That was one of the big keys to the difference in their performance. From Pro Football Focus on Mayfield, yesterday: The highest graded performance by a rookie quarterback since we began grading in 2006. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: First, we do NOT know that the Browns narrowed the QB down to Allen and Mayfield. Second, if we are to assume that Mayfield will pan out and be a great QB (that's not demonstrated yet) that says absolutely nothing about the quality of Allen, even if we assume the Browns did have him as their other finalist. You have presented a false cause logical fallacy, suggesting that because A is true, B must also be true, and that the two are connected with A causing B. In actuality, there is nothing about Baker Mayfield's play that causes Josh Allen's play to be good or bad. I’m pretty sure that’s a fact. I read it on the internet. ? P.S. - I’m a french model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 ...if this kid is good as well as all of the others in the class, perhaps right down to Rudolph and/or Lauletta, could make for some decent Sunday matchups and eventual rivalries like the good 'ol days of the '83 Class......probably a crap idea though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Through my own file study I had it down to Mayfield and Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Klaista2k said: Cleveland had it down to either Mayfield or Allen for the 1st overall pick in the draft. So if Mayfield is indeed good, this is very encouraging because it shows the Browns GM knows how to evaluate quarterbacks. I'm just going to assume you never took a basic logic course 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 He played a very very good half of football . But it's just ridiculous to judge him or any rookie off such a small sample size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 They are who we thought they were! Now if youre gonna crown them go ahead and crown they ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 So you’re saying we ‘almost’ got a good guy. Good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Best thing about the game? Seeing the Jets O line might be even worse than the Bills at pass protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan369 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 5 hours ago, msw2112 said: I was impressed by Mayfield, but Darnold was the savior 2 weeks ago, until other teams got regular season film on him and started game planning for him. Based on what I have seen so far, Mayfield is the most game ready, followed by Darnold, followed by Allen. As to physical abilities/raw talent, it would be Allen, followed by Darnold, followed by Mayfield. Lamar Jackson looks like a great swiss-army knife type of player, but needs a lot of work to be a viable NFL QB. He's incredible athletically. We haven't seen anything from Rosen yet, but as putrid as the Cardinals' offense is, perhaps his time is coming soon. But what happins in 2 weeks when they get film on mayfield?? does he follow Darnold to losing side??? Give them a season see what comes out in the end I would think you would get a better big picture. Just my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 How do we know the Browns were between Mayfield and Allen?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) I don't subscribe to this logic. The positive of Baker maybe being good is a crotch grab pointed in Tom Brady's direction as he beats him in his last game of Tom's career. 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: He played a very very good half of football . But it's just ridiculous to judge him or any rookie off such a small sample size Gotta take positives when you see them. Keeps ya sane. I found a positive that the browns drafted 3 wr with their last 3 picks and we did 2. After that Baker game, they obviously draft right. So we probably do too Edited September 22, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I always root for the hapless teams. Used To be the bengals been rooting (just a little) for the Browns since 2005. If some team besides the Bills was going to find their QB I’m glad it was the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Domdab99 said: I'm just going to assume you never took a basic logic course I was a little more round about. "I don't exactly subscribe to your logic" translation: what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The best residual effect is we wont be hearing how great Darnold is fora while now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I don't subscribe to this logic. The positive of Baker maybe being good is a crotch grab pointed in Tom Brady's direction as he beats him in his last game of Tom's career. Gotta take positives when you see them. Keeps ya sane. I found a positive that the browns drafted 3 wr with their last 3 picks and we did 2. After that Baker game, they obviously draft right. So we probably do too I guess? I mean they just won their first game since 16 , historically bad team , their draft capital was ridiculous and has been ridiculous, they just whiffed on high picks. Obviously Dorsey wasn't involved , but just Not sure we want to model ourselves after the Browns..... Let's see after 16 games if the culture is really changing. I believe McDermott and Beane have established a change in culture, the dead money on the cap is just brutal to deal with for any team. The foundation will be fully laid down by next year when they had 3 drafts and 90 mil to bring in some high end talent that is missing right now. Edited September 22, 2018 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaru523 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 40 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: The best residual effect is we wont be hearing how great Darnold is fora while now. I agree, I mean I realize that Sam Darnold is already among the top 5 greatest QB's of all time, but do we need to be reminded every 5 minutes during every NFL game. Thank you Baker and the Browns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 Very early. Baker will struggle just like every rookie has. He looked good, but after Tyrod I think anyone would of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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