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Are Mcdermott and Beane the worst group to run the bills since pollian ?

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57 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

Wait are you saying Polian was the worst before these guys? 

 

Mahomes was far from a sure thing too. 

 

I have faith in McBeane, there is a plan in motion. We expected to have this kind of season last year, I don’t understand why everyone is losing their minds. They ended the playoff drought, got that monkey off our backs and now are bottoming out so we can return to the top of the league. This year will hurt but it will all be worth it soon. 

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2 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Do you know why we can't have nice things in buffalo?  Because of us - the fans.  I feel bad for McD and Josh.  

 

Had Peyton manning started year one as a bill his career would have begun and ended much like N8 Peterman's I suspect.

  I agree on your Manning observation.  People need to stop being concerned about the past failings to the degree that they do and the achievements of other teams.  For better or worse Bullough Mathison, and Jauron for the Bills along with Shula, Marino, and Griese for some of our opposition are long gone.  People need to find some peace on our past.

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6 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Do you know why we can't have nice things in buffalo?  Because of us - the fans.  I feel bad for McD and Josh.  

 

Had Peyton manning started year one as a bill his career would have begun and ended much like N8 Peterman's I suspect.

This is a VERY Stupid statement.  This is not even close to what big market media put out there towards professional franchises.  This is nothing.  

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2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

The hard work on the roster couldn't be accomplished this year. One look at the QB situation and the surrounding offensive personnel should have clued everyone in on where this season was going. 

 

The big surprise is the defensive performance so far. We all expected more in that department. 

which is one of the reason i am doubt these guys. They invest a lot over two years in the d.  They are not getting great results.  

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2 minutes ago, CDogg20 said:

Wait are you saying Polian was the worst before these guys? 

 

Mahomes was far from a sure thing too. 

 

I have faith in McBeane, there is a plan in motion. We expected to have this kind of season last year, I don’t understand why everyone is losing their minds. They ended the playoff drought, got that monkey off our backs and now are bottoming out so we can return to the top of the league. This year will hurt but it will all be worth it soon. 

lets flip the question.  looking at their personal moves thus far .  are you confident they will be able to turn it around ? 

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Is your last name Van Winkle? Did you sleep through the Rex and Whaley years? 

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"To win in this business, it's about two things.  It's about players and winning" - Doug Whaley

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46 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

I think some of the fans believe we have to be the worst team so they can convince themselves the rebuild is on. Cause somehow winning 7-9 games a year is pure hell. 

The rebuild was always on? It's only their second year.

 

And it's called purgatory for a reason - 7-9 wins doesn't guarantee a playoff spot or a high draft pick. You just perpetuate mediocrity for decades, or in the Bills textbook example, 18 years with select seasons of 6 or less wins. But hey, if just watching 16 games each year is enough, then power to you. But if we're going to be the worst team this year then be the worst team, I'll still watch every game excited to see how our future talent develops and plays. Besides, it's only week 2, who knows what will happen in the next 15 weeks.

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My take on some of the guys who have run it is:

 

Donahoe - flashy guy but, as Paulie once said of Tommy, "he's a cowboy, he's got too much to prove". He got us Spikes and Milloy etc. but also drafted JP and McGahee. It was like he was always trying to show how smart he was.

 

Marv - love him but from my memory (all the **** through the drought sort of fades together in the end) he was pitiful in the front office. Certainly no Coughlin. Marv drafted Donte Whitner when EVERYONE, even people like me whose knowledge of college football could be written on the back of a "How to inspire teammates - by Vontae Davis" pamphlet, were yelling for them to pick Haloti Ngata.

 

Russ Brandon - erm, wasn't he responsible for drafting Maybin? 

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47 minutes ago, wiskibreth said:

Yes, No (not sure what fox has to do with anything).

So what?...  your answer is to come here and moan about it.  What it that you think you're accomplishing?  You think they read this board?  Think again.  It's irrelevant what I think.  I certainly don't care what you think.

The time frame is too short to determine that.  I may agree with you in the future, but it's too early in their tenure to know.

 

when people claim someone is having a temper tantrum cause they have a different opinion it reminds me of the idiocy I frequently see on fox news. 

7 minutes ago, ctk232 said:

The rebuild was always on? It's only their second year.

 

And it's called purgatory for a reason - 7-9 wins doesn't guarantee a playoff spot or a high draft pick. You just perpetuate mediocrity for decades, or in the Bills textbook example, 18 years with select seasons of 6 or less wins. But hey, if just watching 16 games each year is enough, then power to you. But if we're going to be the worst team this year then be the worst team, I'll still watch every game excited to see how our future talent develops and plays. Besides, it's only week 2, who knows what will happen in the next 15 weeks.

 

yeah cause all the best teams build their team by picking in the top ten.  You can pick great in the draft without great position.  Which they actually have done a decent job.  I do not agree with the notion that if you cant make the playoffs you are better off being dead last.  You dont overcome being the worst team with a top ten draft pick. 

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4 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

when people claim someone is having a temper tantrum cause they have a different opinion it reminds me of the idiocy I frequently see on fox news. 

 

He's fine to have his own opinion, i respect that.  But... OP asked a question, then answered it for himself with a bit of a rant, kinda indicates to me an immature temper tantrum.  Happens frequently in TSW now.  Reminds me of BBMB.

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1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

 

Negative Bills fans...

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19 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

lets flip the question.  looking at their personal moves thus far .  are you confident they will be able to turn it around ? 

Absolutely, year 1 they added solid players to the mix, year two they fell a little flat aside from Star (I still think he was a solid addition) The only thing i’m mad about was not signing Ej Gaines back. He was a difference maker. Trent Murphy is too early to judge as is Phillip Gaines although its not looking great. Their plan is to build through the draft so far and this year with all thay cap space i’m eager to see how they use it. 

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Currently they are.  If they don’t improve tremendously next year. They definitely will be.  

 

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19 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

yeah cause all the best teams build their team by picking in the top ten.  You can pick great in the draft without great position.  Which they actually have done a decent job.  I do not agree with the notion that if you cant make the playoffs you are better off being dead last.  You dont overcome being the worst team with a top ten draft pick. 

You're right, how you draft and drafting well matters more than where you pick and certainly contributes. But on a very fundamental level, the goal of every team is to win the Super Bowl, not 7-9 games each season and maybe crack the playoff bubble. It's also just a logical strategy that a higher draft pick simply allows you more options to select from - and choosing from among a greater pool of talent is always better than a smaller pool. 

 

I would even argue that the teams that draft well outside the top 10 and are successful usually have a team and system in place designed for their draft picks to succeed, regardless of any single team's intentions to foster these environments. So ultimately, draft grades usually come at the consequence of rookies playing on teams where they can succeed more. For those frequently in the top 5 - it takes time to turn these teams around and for other things to happen. But you're starting to see these results pay off for a few (i.e. Rams, Jags, even the Browns so far)

 

Needless to say, higher draft picks don't guarantee success, no - my argument is simply that they provide the greatest chance of landing talent. And for a team that perennially achieves 7-9 wins and never goes anywhere isn't bad, but it isn't the reason they play in the NFL either.

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45 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

yes Mcdermott has a said he spoke to Reid several times in the week leading up to the draft.  

Great. Whaley claims he was the one that made the trade. So, again...no one knows who pushed for what behind closed doors.

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1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

whoa, nobody is saying he is a bust. The guy has a ton of tools but he is far from a sure thing.   The accuracy is going to be an issue

This is an embarrassing thread. Please delete it. 

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Um....people are giving McBeane praise and I can’t figure out why. 

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1 hour ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over.  

 

 

....DEFINITELY....I'd welcome back Brandon, Whaley, Marv, Buddy and Littman  in a nanosecond......they were FAR superior to Polian anyway......

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33 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

lets flip the question.  looking at their personal moves thus far .  are you confident they will be able to turn it around ? 

Too soon to pass judgment. If they hit on the biggest pieces they've spent draft capital on so far of Allen, TE, (analogous to Kelly, Talley or Smith) by way of us seeing marked improvement throughout the rest of 2018, then I'm good with letting them build up the supporting cast too through 2019.  

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38 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

being from the backwoods of basking ridge i am missing the point  

 

 

...best bet is to stay in the woods......

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