billsfan_34 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 19 yards- yeah he was “unleashed”. Lets all move on from TT and be glad we got a 3rd for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 From off the leash to BACK IN THE DOGHOUSE in a matter or 3 games. Tyrod is Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 The only thing I'll contribute to this thread is that we should all be congratulating Brandon Beane for turning Tyrod into pick #63. That, my friends, was highway robbery. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: They all looked pretty good once Tyrod was replaced. Callaway, Landry, Higgins, Njoku, all get open. Callaway will be if he stays clean. Njoku has potential but can't catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) I bet there’s some posters here who still think well if he was in Tampa he’d be doing way better than fitz lol. I was literally having this argument with people the last couple of weeks about how tyrod was so much better than fitz. Talk about having to eat crow now. One is on his way to the playoffs and stealing the young franchise qbs job and another payday another one is on his way to never having a starting gig ever again lol. Edited September 22, 2018 by Rocbillsfan1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, eball said: The only thing I'll contribute to this thread is that we should all be congratulating Brandon Beane for turning Tyrod into pick #63. That, my friends, was highway robbery. CORRECT. Trash for the first pick in the third round is outrageous. Beane's best move to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, eball said: The only thing I'll contribute to this thread is that we should all be congratulating Brandon Beane for turning Tyrod into pick #63. That, my friends, was highway robbery. ...wonder if he'll take his probable benching in Cleveland as well as he did in Buffalo (raging debate of benching versus risking injury)??.........pretty sure he thought of himself as still being starter material....stay tuned.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 3 hours ago, eball said: The only thing I'll contribute to this thread is that we should all be congratulating Brandon Beane for turning Tyrod into pick #63. That, my friends, was highway robbery. gotta give credit where credit is due--even though most sane people realize that TT cant play QB--unless u set up a complete college offense for him where he is essentially a RB who throws once in a blue moon. baker mayfield--the best QB in the draft and the only one without any real weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) ....good guy...good teammate.....great ethic and competitor......8th season at this level, but like so many others, struggles with the speed and complexity of the NFL game.......reads and progressions continue to be a stumbling block.....a gamer who tries to overcome that weakness principally with his wheels, but it continues to plague him....no harm no foul here.........it is one helluva difficult task to master....... Edited September 22, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 16 hours ago, Rob's House said: I predict Mayfield will be the next Drew Brees, he'll turn the franchise around, and Hue Jackoff will be declared a genius. Are you predicting Brees in San Diego, or Brees in N'Orleans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....good guy...good teammate.....great ethic and competitor......8th season at this level, but like so many others, struggles with the speed and complexity of the NFL game.......reads and progressions continue to be a stumbling block.....a gamer who tries to overcome that weakness principally with his wheels, but it continues to plague him....no harm no foul here.........it is one helluva difficult task to master....... For me I just got tired of hearing how 'underrated' he was, and how the statistic models loved him. Honestly...I probably would have been more accepting of Taylor if people didn't keep trying to make his game out to be something other than what was pretty clear to see every Sunday. That got old quick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: For me I just got tired of hearing how 'underrated' he was, and how the statistic models loved him. Honestly...I probably would have been more accepting of Taylor if people didn't keep trying to make his game out to be something other than what was pretty clear to see every Sunday. That got old quick. ..think you're dead on...most wanted him to succeed...only a POS would hope a kid fails in fulfilling his lifelong dream of being an NFL player, let alone a QB.....quoted him many times but here goes again...Steve Young (yup...HIM) said eloquently, "more collegians fail versus succeed at the NFL level due to the speed and complexity of the game"....so we should trash Tyrod for being unfortunately in Young's majority, despite being a good teammate with a great work ethic and competitive nature because he fell short?...WRONG answer IMO.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 11:12 AM, C.Biscuit97 said: As bad as Tyrod was, he wasn’t close to the tire fire Peterman has been. As bad as Tyrod can be, he’s actually had positive moments in the nfl. NP hasn’t made it out of a half in 3 starts! This^ In short, TT sucks......just not as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: For me I just got tired of hearing how 'underrated' he was, and how the statistic models loved him. Honestly...I probably would have been more accepting of Taylor if people didn't keep trying to make his game out to be something other than what was pretty clear to see every Sunday. That got old quick. And threads like this aren't old? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: And threads like this aren't old? You telling us Tyrod is good got old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 The thing too is ESPN/NFL Network, etc all show the TT highlights and you say how can the Bills get rid of him, a playoff QB even. But they don't show the highlights of his was it around 100 yard performance against the Panthers, Saints and Jet's last year? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 WHY DID WE TRADE TYROD? WE NEED HIM OUT THERE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: WHY DID WE TRADE TYROD? WE NEED HIM OUT THERE. ...Allen had 120 yds passing in the 1ST QUARTER....wouldn't THAT be a "two game set" yesteryear??............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 23, 2018 Author Share Posted September 23, 2018 23 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...Allen had 120 yds passing in the 1ST QUARTER....wouldn't THAT be a "two game set" yesteryear??............... Mahomes will outproduce TT's 2017 season in TD's by the end of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 9/19/2018 at 10:57 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Oh, man. Quote-in-quote makes it a PITA to reply, so I'll just go to the one point I should clarify. One of my stats geekeries has been looking for objective, easy to calculate stats that correlate with both QB quality and with winning - I hate that total QBR thing and PFF's subjective unexplained rating system. I came up with 3, of which passing yards is not one. You can search and find arguments I have where I take the position that passing yards are not a good QB quality metric. (The things folks say to me! Heh heh. ) Then I started using those 3 stats to look at all the QB drafted from 2006-2016. Sorting them by these 3 statspretty much it worked - the QB my stats tagged as "successful NFL QB" would, I think, find a lot of agreement. They excluded a couple guys maybe people would say "he's a good QB" cuz, "heard of him" or "won a Superbowl" but when you look at the guy's whole career, the argument is pretty strong that in fact, maybe not so good. Well, I noticed a funny thing after that. I was pulling in a few QB that few would agree were good QB. Hmmm. The commonality was that all these guys had pretty low yards per game - 200-ish or less. So then I went back and started looking at passing yards and winning again. I haven't finished, but I'm coming to the conclusion that while more isn't better, there may be a floor of passing yards per game, below which winning is less likely, especially during playoff games. I'm not sure where it is, precisely - between 200 and 230 yds somewhere. Blahblahblah long winded way to say I think you're not reading what I wrote carefully enough. While overall, I'd agree that passing yards don't mean too much, I can't agree that they don't mean anything. If a QB is on average, generating <220 ypg passing offense, I think the team is less likely to win playoff games and somewhat less likely to win overall. Agree disagree, whatevs, if you want to "reject completely" that notion I think you're rejecting some sturdy data, but I've been busy with other stuff and haven't rolled it up. Bridgewater was effective in 2015 for the Vikes, sure, but not on a top-tier level. There are exceptions and outliers, and that's pretty much by definition what the guys who lead the NFL's career completion list are by definition. Right now we have several exceptions and outliers who have been QBing successfully for a long time in the NFL. But the fact is, year after year, the vast majority of QB starting in the NFL are on the team that drafted them, and if you want to acquire a quality QB who can lead the franchise for years, that's pretty much where teams have to go. They better not count on a re-run of 1992 where they can trade for Brett Favre, 2006 where Drew Brees hits free agency - or for that matter, 2018 where one very good QB gets traded and another hits FA. They better not count on the long-term success of a career journeyman like Josh McCown or Ryan Fitzpatrick. They better not count on drafting Tom Brady in the 6th or having Kurt Warner walk-on as an UDFA. These are all rarities, not the norm. They better draft a guy, and the highest probability of a hit is in the 1st round at the top, and even there the odds are lower than most people think. If you disagree with that, then here's where I say we're just on a different page. You spend an awful lot of time saying this method and that method can't be relied upon for getting a franchise QB, then you conclude with drafting a QB in the first round - which has ... what? a 20% success rate? Less? I've never said it is the only way, or that you are going to find the great franchise QB that way. But there are 10, all-time franchise QBs and to me, outside of Peyton Manning nearly all of them were easily acquired elsewhere than the top 5 picks in the draft. A lot of them weren't even the first QB overall taken. I hardly think the only way is picking one up in the draft. QBs are the result of a team, of good coaching, of a system that is built around them. Presumably the Texans had a near MVP QB there in DeShaun. Didn't look that way to me, and he was picked high in the draft. 24 starters. QB is important. It's not everything; it just seems that way when you have the recency bias of having Tom Brady bash your brains in twice a year for most of this century. A lot of the other stuff you wrote was pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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