oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 43 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I have a suspicion that a vet QB will be signed soon. LaCanfora yesterday said they are looking at options. Given it's LaCanfora it probably means they aren't. But they should be. Mybe some guys like Moore just are done and don't want the hassle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzReaper Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: LaCanfora yesterday said they are looking at options. Given it's LaCanfora it probably means they aren't. But they should be. Mybe some guys like Moore just are done and don't want the hassle. If they can get someone like Moore or Cutler off the couch that's great. MajBobby made the point who's going to go through that at this point and I'm with him on that I don't really see too many options at this point in the season. However IF they can get a guy I don't see how it could do anything but benefit Allen's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 These are rare instances where a vet with significant experience "mentors" a rookie franchise QB. AJ Maccarron certainly wouldn't have been much of a mentor. He played in a handful of games over 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, GrizzReaper said: If they can get someone like Moore or Cutler off the couch that's great. MajBobby made the point who's going to go through that at this point and I'm with him on that I don't really see too many options at this point in the season. However IF they can get a guy I don't see how it could do anything but benefit Allen's development. The one I would say would stunt his growth is Cutler. A young QB does not need that kind of personality around him. At any rate, Beane and McD are very consistent in their thought process, and very careful what they say in public. One of the things they say is they are constantly looking for ways to improve the team. So they churn the roster up, and I for one hope that includes a more veteran backup QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, GrizzReaper said: I think the kids has the potential to be great. I just feel like Beane has put him in a bad situation. Like I said we have to wait and see how it goes BUT if it goes bad then that's squarely on our GM. He set all this up. He could've secured any number of the FA QBs that we were all on here talking about back in the off season... He settled for AJ McCarron. Then he proceeded to trade McCarron and leave us with Nasty Nate and Allen... I just think it was a string of bad moves at this point. I'm not saying it can't work. However if it doesn't work I'll remember who set it all up. So 20M for Bradford? Cousins Who who are these mythical mentors that were available this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 34 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Who Mentored Goff Wentz Ryan Flacco Wilson Carr Luck Watson Big Ben Rivers All these College QBs that are going to become first round QBs And those are off the top of my head add Kelly Marino Elway Montana shall i keep going? Which one of those listed would have had the career that they did with the o-line that Josh Allen has protecting him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, JTown said: Which one of those listed would have had the career that they did with the o-line that Josh Allen has protecting him? And How does any of that matter in the Vet QB mentor debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Beane also failed to provide Allen with protection. Beane also took away the running game by, in neglecting our "offensive" line, making it impossible for McCoy to figure out how to address immovable defensive walls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Who Mentored Goff Wentz Ryan Flacco Wilson Carr Luck Watson Big Ben Rivers All these College QBs that are going to become first round QBs And those are off the top of my head add Kelly Marino Elway Montana shall i keep going? Kelly had Reich. Elway had Kubiak. Both were lower talent but with huge football IQ. Montana sat behind Steve DeBerg for 2 years. Marino had the veteran Don Strock on the roster with him. Rivers sat behind Brees for 2 years. Big Ben had Tommy Maddox on the roster. Wentz has Foles. Favre, Brady, and Rogers all sat on the bench for awhile. You just don't get it. Yes, some rookie QBs can make it and they are not the norm. Just because a QB starts as a rookie does not mean they don't have another QB on the roster helping them prepare. That does not mean the backup has to be a star, or a former star, just someone with some solid NFL knowledge. If you think that Josh Allen is being handled properly and that having the wisdom of Nate Peterman on his side is good enough I disagree. Most scouts seemed to think that Allen is raw and needs time to learn and time to work on fundamentals. If you like the plan of bringing in McCarron and cutting him, and then going with Peterman then fine. I think the plan was flawed. I would have preferred bringing in a more proven veteran and then letting Allen beat him out for the job. Winning the job by default because Peterman is incapable is not the best way to go for Allen. I just hope he makes it. Maybe he has a good QB coach? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Batman1876 said: NFL players aren't that fond of training their replacements. Ben and Flacco have been publicly antagonistic. The best example of it is that Farve spent his efforts mocking, insulting, humiliating and actively avoiding helping him. They don’t have to train him. They just have to be there so the young player can see how they do things, to see how they diagnose plays in the film room, how they handle the week of preparation for a game. Watching is a great way of learning and can be done without crushing a young players’ confidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Kelly had Reich. Elway had Kubiak. Both were lower talent but with huge football IQ. Montana sat behind Steve DeBerg for 2 years. Marino had the veteran Don Strock on the roster with him. Rivers sat behind Brees for 2 years. Big Ben had Tommy Maddox on the roster. Wentz has Foles. Favre, Brady, and Rogers all sat on the bench for awhile. You just don't get it. Yes, some rookie QBs can make it and they are not the norm. Just because a QB starts as a rookie does not mean they don't have another QB on the roster helping them prepare. That does not mean the backup has to be a star, or a former star, just someone with some solid NFL knowledge. If you think that Josh Allen is being handled properly and that having the wisdom of Nate Peterman on his side is good enough I disagree. Most scouts seemed to think that Allen is raw and needs time to learn and time to work on fundamentals. If you like the plan of bringing in McCarron and cutting him, and then going with Peterman then fine. I think the plan was flawed. I would have preferred bringing in a more proven veteran and then letting Allen beat him out for the job. Winning the job by default because Peterman is incapable is not the best way to go for Allen. I just hope he makes it. Maybe he has a good QB coach? peterman lesser talent good in film room high football IQ. I notice you ignored about 80% of that list. Who is the First Person Allen goes to when he comes to the sideline say it Firzpatrick (would never have signed here) but was available in offseason, was on the Roster Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And How does any of that matter in the Vet QB mentor debate It matters because the lack of a veteran mentor is not the only thing that McBeane have failed to address. The entire "process" is clearly under serious question. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, JTown said: It matters because the lack of a veteran mentor is not the only thing that McBeane have failed to address. The entire "process" is clearly under serious question. Yep and I have said that. OL and WR fail Allen more than some unicorn old school thought of a Vet QB mentor stuff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, CardinalScotts said: wtf are you grading him on?> Every single one of his FA and the largest Dead Cap money the NFL has seen in years. 100% failure as a GM so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: peterman lesser talent good in film room high football IQ. I notice you ignored about 80% of that list. Your math is about as good as your football knowledge. I addressed 50% of the list and added 3 more HoF QB who did not start as rookies. Do your research instead of throwing out partial truths and misleading information. Edited September 17, 2018 by Bob in STL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Well, Beane's been failing a lot lately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: So Romo would have left a cushy broadcasting gig for the grind of being a coach? How come I never read that anywhere? Not what I suggested at all, !@#$. The Cliff's notes version for the slow kids in class, and users named MAJBobby: Someone like Romo around Allen all the time would be a benefit. There is no one like that around Allen right now. We should get someone like that. Edited September 17, 2018 by Fadingpain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Your math is about is good as your football knowledge. I addressed 50% of the list and added 3 more HoF QB who did not start as rookies. Do your research instead of throwing out partial truths and misleading information. Got it. There is one way to develop rookie. Shall I also list the Busts like Winston, Tannenhil etc that failed with their Vet Mentor QB? Or no. So yea lets go sign Moore that helps more than WRs and OL your set in your legacy thinking and are not going to change because your football knowledge likely comes from legacy thinkers teaching so enjoy Edited September 17, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: I don't remember the exact words but during the broadcast Steve Beurelein said something like, "Beane told me that AJ McCarron wasn't who they thought he was." So I wonder if Beane planned for AJ to both start for a while and mentor Josh - and it didn't work out? Denny Green agrees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: He did. With this OL, And weapons. Not because there is no Vet QB sucking a paycheck Nobody is saying thats the only thing to handicap him, but if you deny a veteran presence wouldnt be beneficial you're blind and stubborn. Especially for some one as raw as Allen is who probably never had a legit coach/mentor until now. Oh wait he still doesnt. And if you think Gentry would be more valuable to Allens development than a knowledgeable vet you're deluuuuuusional Edited September 17, 2018 by BillsMafia13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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