Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 This might have been covered, but I really was confused about the Charger's receiver going out of bounds, but loosing the football BEFORE his elbow hit the turf. To me, that ball was loose and falling out of his hand and the Bills should have been awarded the turnover. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Coffin Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Out of bounds. He lost the ball before going out of bounds but as he was out of bounds (his elbow was touching the white) the ball touched him. As soon as the ball touches any player that even has a toe out of bounds, it's a dead ball. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: This might have been covered, but I really was confused about the Charger's receiver going out of bounds, but loosing the football BEFORE his elbow hit the turf. To me, that ball was loose and falling out of his hand and the Bills should have been awarded the turnover. Thoughts? I agree....I thought the ball was coming loose. I was suprised it held up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Because he was touching the ball and had a body part touching out of bounds, he became an extension of the sideline thus the ball was fumbled was out of bounds. I guess thats the rule, sux but interpretation was by the book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Because he was touching the ball and had a body part touching out of bounds, he became an extension of the sideline thus the ball was fumbled was out of bounds. I guess thats the rule, sux but interpretation was by the book Same thing happened last week on the punt. Bunch of Bills had the ball the ball was never out...but parts of their bodies were. That rule is clear and so was the call. Bummer in the moment, but it was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted September 18, 2018 Author Share Posted September 18, 2018 Damn rules!!! Thanks guys for the explanation. Still sucks, but I still liked how we played in the second half. Loved "Poy-ay" punching the ball out. That's what we need! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 What was worse was the fumble that was recovered by the Bills but given to the Chargers. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Doc said: What was worse was the fumble that was recovered by the Bills but given to the Chargers. The refs don’t want the Bills to cover the spread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 google "dead Patriot"... the first replay i told everyone in our section this is the rule..Charger Ball..they said I was an idiot..i knew from Dead Patriot Game. They also said I was an idiot on touchback call was going to happen and first touched rule...don't mess with me on arcane NFL rules!!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 8 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: This might have been covered, but I really was confused about the Charger's receiver going out of bounds, but loosing the football BEFORE his elbow hit the turf. To me, that ball was loose and falling out of his hand and the Bills should have been awarded the turnover. Thoughts? This is so easy - yes it was a fumble - ball came out before the elbow hit out of bounds. The WR then landed out of bound (elbow) while still touching the ball - therefore it is a dead ball out of bounds. The Bills have seen this exact thing at least 3 times in the last 2 years - where a guy fumbles on the sideline and either lands out of bounds and touches the ball - ala LA this weekend or the Dolphins last year OR the Bills trying to recover end up touching the ball out of bounds ala last week in Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: google "dead Patriot"... the first replay i told everyone in our section this is the rule..Charger Ball..they said I was an idiot..i knew from Dead Patriot Game. They also said I was an idiot on touchback call was going to happen and first touched rule...don't mess with me on arcane NFL rules!!!! Ok , so you're saying they were only wrong twice... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) This happens to all all the time I am very surprised bills fans don't understand the rule yet Most famously cost us a game against the Pats of course, in the "unconscious head resting out of bounds game": https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2001/12/17/ruling-david-patten-fumble-helps-patriots-beat-bills/Q15dQ696eN1xN4VZ887edI/story.html Edited September 18, 2018 by DrDare 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: google "dead Patriot"... the first replay i told everyone in our section this is the rule..Charger Ball..they said I was an idiot..i knew from Dead Patriot Game. They also said I was an idiot on touchback call was going to happen and first touched rule...don't mess with me on arcane NFL rules!!!! Both were pretty standard calls if you know how rules work. Sounds like your section was full of Seahawks fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 10 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said: This might have been covered, but I really was confused about the Charger's receiver going out of bounds, but loosing the football BEFORE his elbow hit the turf. To me, that ball was loose and falling out of his hand and the Bills should have been awarded the turnover. Thoughts? He was touching the ball when out of bounds. As soon as that happens the ball is out of bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 kind of surprised that NCAA and NFL officials and replay reviews this year are getting it right more than it seemed they used to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I swear from the replay the ball came out before any body part touched the ground. Is there any video or screen caps of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I swear from the replay the ball came out before any body part touched the ground. Is there any video or screen caps of it? it did, but then his hand( i think hand, could have been his elbow) was touching the ball whist he was out of bounds, making the ball dead at that point. I think it is Belichick and the Pats who also instruct their KO return guys..if the ball on the kickoff is close to boundary but you are not sure if it is going to go out...make sure you stand out of bounds first with at least one foot, then pick up the ball. The ball is declared to be out of bounds and the penalty is enforced just as if the ball went 20 yards out of bounds. The key is the dude has to standing OOB before he touches the ball. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 I said it last year and I’ll say it again here. I believe the rule is being poorly interpreted and applied. The ‘intent’ of the rule is so that the RECOVERING player cannot be laying out of bounds. It makes no sense at all that a player who’s out of bounds can effectively stop ANOTHER player from recovering a fumble just by having a body part touch the football! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: I said it last year and I’ll say it again here. I believe the rule is being poorly interpreted and applied. The ‘intent’ of the rule is so that the RECOVERING player cannot be laying out of bounds. It makes no sense at all that a player who’s out of bounds can effectively stop ANOTHER player from recovering a fumble just by having a body part touch the football! It may also be so a member of the recovering team cannot have say, a toe OB and bat the ball towards his teammate before it’s recovered. Anyway, the rule has been around awhile. I recall the Bills being on the wrong end of a call like this recovering a ( Brady?) fumble vs the Pats @BUF in 2001. Anyone else remember this play? It was a close game and the overturned recovery was critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Share Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I said it last year and I’ll say it again here. I believe the rule is being poorly interpreted and applied. The ‘intent’ of the rule is so that the RECOVERING player cannot be laying out of bounds. It makes no sense at all that a player who’s out of bounds can effectively stop ANOTHER player from recovering a fumble just by having a body part touch the football! That's not the intent of the rule. When a player who is out of bounds he touches the ball, the ball is out of bounds. It can't then become "in bounds". It's the same as a player covering a punt with their foot on the goal line as they try to prevent a touchback. As soon as they touch the ball, it's out of bounds--or in this case, a touchback. Even if he taps it backwards and keeps it in bounds, no other player who is in bounds can then possess (or down) it. No one questions that and it happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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