26CornerBlitz Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 That short stint when he replaced Eric Wood due to injury lulled many into a false sense of security this season. Groy has been a major disappointment and shoulders quite a bit of responsibility for the OLs failures thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That short stint when he replaced Eric Wood due to injury lulled many into a false sense of security this season. Groy has been a major disappointment and shoulders quite a bit of responsibility for the OLs failures thus far. Yup, I agree, and was part of that group thinking Groy would be fine as Wood’s replacement. It seems that the scheme was more a factor than Groy actually being a decent back-up/replacement center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Before the season I was adamant that the line wouldn’t be as bad as everyone was saying. Boy was I wrong. I thought they were better yesterday though compared to the Ravens game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Im gonna say that I have been wrong on Groy thus far. I thought that he filled in well for Wood when he got hurt and I translated that into being at least a servicable starter....... Im seeing Groy getting pushed around and with his size that should not be happening.....but I am seeing all of our interior doing the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 What we are forgetting that it could also be the new scheme. Woods might be getting abused if he was here also. The line looked and played much better in 15 and 16 and then without much change all of a sudden couldn't run block or pass block in 2017? I mean if he doesn't fit the scheme then it is entirely possible that he isn't going to look very good. That said it doesn't change the fact that he played as well or better than Woods was playing when he took over for him when he got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Yeah I didn't see that coming. I thought he played well for the short time he covered for Wood. Now he just sucks. Could have been scheme plus players around him that helped him look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Im gonna say that I have been wrong on Groy thus far. I thought that he filled in well for Wood when he got hurt and I translated that into being at least a servicable starter....... Im seeing Groy getting pushed around and with his size that should not be happening.....but I am seeing all of our interior doing the same thing You're not alone there. I think if they can slide him to LG he'll be salvageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I miss the old days when posters hated on Wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Minny loves that A gap pressure and I fully expect Groy, Ducasse, and Miller to need their brown football pants come next Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Just Joshin' said: I miss the old days when posters hated on Wood. He used to get pushed around a lot as well Every time we played the Bengals Geno Atkins would throw him around a few times Not a Wood fan but he's probably better than what we got going now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I agree. Mystified by Groy's performance or lack thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 And people complained about Eric Wood daily.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The most sacked NFL QB in a season is David Carr. Sacked 76 times in 2002. Will Josh Allen take that record from Carr this season?! Just now, CaptnCoke11 said: And people complained about Eric Wood daily.. The fact that Groy is terrible doesn't make Wood better. He was not as good as his reputation suggested IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Maine-iac said: What we are forgetting that it could also be the new scheme. Woods might be getting abused if he was here also. The line looked and played much better in 15 and 16 and then without much change all of a sudden couldn't run block or pass block in 2017? I mean if he doesn't fit the scheme then it is entirely possible that he isn't going to look very good. That said it doesn't change the fact that he played as well or better than Woods was playing when he took over for him when he got injured. Greg Roman could run design scheme is best in NFL. But even back then the pass protection was awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That short stint when he replaced Eric Wood due to injury lulled many into a false sense of security this season. Groy has been a major disappointment and shoulders quite a bit of responsibility for the OLs failures thus far. Interesting that Groy, Miller have regressed EVERY year with Teflon Juan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 6 hours ago, Captain Murica said: Yup, I agree, and was part of that group thinking Groy would be fine as Wood’s replacement. It seems that the scheme was more a factor than Groy actually being a decent back-up/replacement center. I don't think these are contradictory. Groy might be a decent center in a different scheme and playing between different guards. The year he replaced Wood he was playing in Kromer's scheme between Cog and (I think) Miller. The all-22 hasn't come out on Gamepass yet, but one thing I noticed in Week 1 is that he simply wasn't fast and nimble enough to make the moves required of him and re-set before he lost leverage on the Ravens defenders. I'm not sure who is at fault, but there were a couple plays where it looked like Ducasse and Groy were getting their feet tangled. When Daboll was asking the OL to stay home and just handle the dude in front of them, it worked better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: The most sacked NFL QB in a season is David Carr. Sacked 76 times in 2002. Will Josh Allen take that record from Carr this season?! The fact that Groy is terrible doesn't make Wood better. He was not as good as his reputation suggested IMO. agreed, never understood the love affair with Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Before the season I was adamant that the line wouldn’t be as bad as everyone was saying. Boy was I wrong. I thought they were better yesterday though compared to the Ravens game I don't have good enough "football eyes" to sort the blocking from televised coverage. I'm going to be interested to get the all-22 and see if they look better because someone with sense went through the film and X'd out the blocking schemes these guys just can't seem to execute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Before the season I was adamant that the line wouldn’t be as bad as everyone was saying. Boy was I wrong. I thought they were better yesterday though compared to the Ravens game Count me in that group too. Anyone have BBQ for this crow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Maine-iac said: What we are forgetting that it could also be the new scheme. Woods might be getting abused if he was here also. The line looked and played much better in 15 and 16 and then without much change all of a sudden couldn't run block or pass block in 2017? I mean if he doesn't fit the scheme then it is entirely possible that he isn't going to look very good. That said it doesn't change the fact that he played as well or better than Woods was playing when he took over for him when he got injured. New scheme is debatable but it is no excuse. They had all offseason to replace Wood with someone, anyone, who fit the scheme. Instead we wound up starting 5 guys who were on the roster last year after Bodine failed to beat out Groy in camp. This line does nothing well. Shady and Murph are seeing contact 2 yards behind scrimmage and Allen saw contact on at least 2 plays yesterday as he finished his drop. That is pathetic. How many players on our OL start on any other team in the league? I would say MAYBE Dawkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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