Billsfan1972 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 In 2017 the Bills had 3 games with more passing yards...... The Bills have no receivers and we are trotting out a rookie. So after a decade of the Bills refusing to play Football the way it is being played by the majority of NFL teams (i.e. with a passing game), 245 seems like 350+ to me..... An easy comparison is Jared Goff and the putrid rookie campaign he put up and now with weapons and coaching that emphasizes the Offense is looking pretty good. I for one was okay with what I saw and hope that there continues to be progression (though concerned with the schedule). My biggest fear is an injury and the Peterman fans return on mass.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Passing yards don’t tell me much. Personally, I’m much more concerned with TD:int, 3rd down conversions, and completion percentage mixed with a high YPA. Efficiency is way more important than the gross stats. Are you making the plays at the right time? Are you making more plays than mistakes? Are you getting chunks of yards at a time? That’s what really tells the story. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 I've been beaten into submission by just how bad this team is over the years. 245 yards passing had me happy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Allen was wildly inaccurate and was missing wide open receivers by not scanning the 2nd half of the field. That is what worries me the most. I'll be giving this a few more weeks before I put my stamp on my expectation but IMO Allen did not look like an NFL QB. He looked like a Bills QB... But Allen's debut did not go well at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: Allen was wildly inaccurate and was missing wide open receivers by not scanning the 2nd half of the field. That is what worries me the most. I'll be giving this a few more weeks before I put my stamp on my expectation but IMO Allen did not look like an NFL QB. He looked like a Bills QB... But Allen's debut did not go well at all. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, ddaryl said: Allen was wildly inaccurate and was missing wide open receivers by not scanning the 2nd half of the field. That is what worries me the most. I'll be giving this a few more weeks before I put my stamp on my expectation but IMO Allen did not look like an NFL QB. He looked like a Bills QB... But Allen's debut did not go well at all. That’s just not true at all. That’s digging in because he wasn’t the guy that you wanted. He looked like other good young QBs do in their first start. There was a lot of positives mixed with a few mistakes. The 2 biggest mistakes were the 2nd INT and the last sack by James (that was his responsibility). He stood tall in the pocket, made plays with his feet and arm and moved the team some. He looked like the guy that we are hoping for. Obviously, he’s nowhere near a finished product and also plays with THE worst talent in the league. It’s going to take longer than “a few more weeks” but if you didn’t leave that game encouraged it’s because you didn’t go in with an open mind. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: SMH please elaborate instead of a shake my head cause I have absolutely no idea if you are agreeing with me or attempting to call me out for an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: Allen was wildly inaccurate and was missing wide open receivers by not scanning the 2nd half of the field. That is what worries me the most. I'll be giving this a few more weeks before I put my stamp on my expectation but IMO Allen did not look like an NFL QB. He looked like a Bills QB... But Allen's debut did not go well at all. Really???? I guess I was wearing rose coloured glasses as it was not Peterman, wasn't embarrassing and over 200 yards passing....... Compare this to Goff in 2016 when he finally started in November..... http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3046779/jared-goff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: That’s just not true at all. That’s digging in because he wasn’t the guy that you wanted. He looked like other good young QBs do in their first start. There was a lot of positives mixed with a few mistakes. The 2 biggest mistakes were the 2nd INT and the last sack by James (that was his responsibility). He stood tall in the pocket, made plays with his feet and arm and moved the team some. He looked like the guy that we are hoping for. Obviously, he’s nowhere near a finished product and also plays with THE worst talent in the league. It’s going to take longer than “a few more weeks” but if you didn’t leave that game encouraged it’s because you didn’t go in with an open mind. His numbers were pretty close to Darnold's this week. Wonder if ddaryl believes Darnold will be a bust, too. Just now, ddaryl said: please elaborate instead of a shake my head cause I have absolutely no idea if you are agreeing with me or attempting to call me out for an opinion. His numbers were pretty close to Darnold's this week against much tougher competition. Think Darnold's gonna be a bust too or nah? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s just not true at all. That’s digging in because he wasn’t the guy that you wanted. He looked like other good young QBs do in their first start. There was a lot of positives mixed with a few mistakes. The 2 biggest mistakes were the 2nd INT and the last sack by James (that was his responsibility). He stood tall in the pocket, made plays with his feet and arm and moved the team some. He looked like the guy that we are hoping for. Obviously, he’s nowhere near a finished product and also plays with THE worst talent in the league. It’s going to take longer than “a few more weeks” but if you didn’t leave that game encouraged it’s because you didn’t go in with an open mind. Calling it the way I saw it. He made plays with his feet because he was unable to find open WR's or make that quick D dissection at the line and find the WR with quick throw. Maybe this gets better but, as of his 1st start it was subpar. He threw a few lame ducks, and had some inaccurate passes and I just wasn't happy with his performance. You can try to cling to a few positives but overall I did not see anything to get overly excited for in his debut.. I hope he gets better but don't start this Not my guy BS I jumped on the Allen train when drafted him.. 6 minutes ago, joesixpack said: His numbers were pretty close to Darnold's this week. Wonder if ddaryl believes Darnold will be a bust, too. His numbers were pretty close to Darnold's this week against much tougher competition. Think Darnold's gonna be a bust too or nah? I don't care about Darnold Rosen or any other QB in the entire league. I only care about Allen and what I saw with my own 2 eyes. He did not look good passing the football IMO again not throwing in the towel but was not thrilled with his debut 6 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Really???? I guess I was wearing rose coloured glasses as it was not Peterman, wasn't embarrassing and over 200 yards passing....... Compare this to Goff in 2016 when he finally started in November..... http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3046779/jared-goff I don't care about any other QB in this entire league. Allen did not look that good in my eyes. Lots of bad throws and not scanning the entire field. Can't think of any quick throws he made to beat the blitz or rush besides a couple of swing screens Again I don't hate Allen I just hope he gets a lot better quickly... Edited September 17, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I don't care about Darnold Rosen or any other QB in the entire league. I only care about Allen and what I saw with my own 2 eyes. Color me skeptical, but I'm not sold on this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Calling it the way I saw it. He made plays with his feet because he was unable to find open WR's or make that quick D dissection at the line and find the WR with quick throw. Maybe this gets better but, as of his 1st start it was subpar. He threw a few lame ducks, and had some inaccurate passes and I just wasn't happy with his performance. You can try to cling to a few positives but overall I did not see anything to get overly excited for in his debut.. He’s never going to be the “quick throw” guy. That’s Peterman. Allen is going to play like Ben or Stafford. He’s going to hang as long as he can and try to push the ball down the field. He’s never going to be the 90% completion guy. He’s going to make big plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: He’s never going to be the “quick throw” guy. That’s Peterman. Allen is going to play like Ben or Stafford. He’s going to hang as long as he can and try to push the ball down the field. He’s never going to be the 90% completion guy. He’s going to make big plays. We have a porous OL so he has to be. In the NFL the quick pass is a big part of keeping D's honest... If you don't have that then you greatly reduced your ability to be an NFL QB. You can not tell me that Ben or Stafford never had the quick slant in their repertoire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) as i said in one of Kirby's threads, there was some good and some bad yesterday. yes there were some encouraging signs, such as him standing tall in the pocket, displaying a good pocket presence. knowing when to step up, when to move laterally, just a good general awareness of the people around him. the ability to keep his eyes down field while all the chaos of pocket mechanics are going on around him is excellent for a rook in his first start. he displayed his fantastic arm strength and an ability to put some mustard on the ball. there were also some concerning aspects. including touch on short passes, ball placement, not seeing the entire field and a general lack of knowing where the soft spot in the D should be. the second interception was just a bad pass all the way around, he should not have thrown that pass unless it was over the head of the receiver. i don't know if it was bad footwork or what but you can't make those passes. of course the negatives in his game should be correctable, the question is, will they get corrected. these concerns are ones that he had coming out of college, though he has worked hard to correct them and it does appear that he is making progress. playing with sub-par talent around him isn't the best way to advance that learning curve but if he is going to be good, he will make those advances regardless, albeit just with a few more growing pains. it is simply too early to say one way or the other with any sort of real definite knowing where he will shake out. there are encouraging signs and concerns but until a better picture is formed, all we can do is watch at this point and hope he turns into what we all hope he will. Edited September 17, 2018 by Foxx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 53 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: In 2017 the Bills had 3 games with more passing yards...... The Bills have no receivers and we are trotting out a rookie. So after a decade of the Bills refusing to play Football the way it is being played by the majority of NFL teams (i.e. with a passing game), 245 seems like 350+ to me..... An easy comparison is Jared Goff and the putrid rookie campaign he put up and now with weapons and coaching that emphasizes the Offense is looking pretty good. I for one was okay with what I saw and hope that there continues to be progression (though concerned with the schedule). My biggest fear is an injury and the Peterman fans return on mass.... Man Sammy on his 5th year option and Woods at a little more than what they are playing Kerley, Holmes and Coleman (not to play) sure would look nice now, if ONLY they were not Whaley guys 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I thought he looked great. His throw to Holmes after breaking out of a sack that went off his fingertips was beautiful. Not many QBs attempt that throw much less complete it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, ddaryl said: We have a porous OL so he has to be. In the NFL the quick pass is a big part of keeping D's honest... If you don't have that then you greatly reduced your ability to be an NFL QB. You can not tell me that Ben or Stafford never had the quick slant in their repertoire Im sure Josh would love to throw a quick slant to AB, Juju, Golden Tate, Kenny Gollady. We have Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I watched the "every throw Josh Allen made" video, and it was not pretty at all. He got lucky on the long Zay Jones throw, and a lot of his yards came on screen passes, one big one coming in garbage time. The rest of it looked really rough: - Every throw was a laser beam, which is not always called for - Placement did not allow for run after the catch; did not hit guys in stride really at all - Even worse, placement often put receiver in the path of a Safety running full speed into his chest - Several balls that he was lucky were not picked off, including the aforementioned bomb to ZJ. I still believe he has it in him to be good to great, but I think the critics were right - this young fella is RAW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Man Sammy on his 5th year option and Woods at a little more than what they are playing Kerley, Holmes and Coleman (not to play) sure would look nice now, if ONLY they were not Whaley guys Don't remind me...... Oh and offense is no big deal according to McDermott..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Man Sammy on his 5th year option and Woods at a little more than what they are playing Kerley, Holmes and Coleman (not to play) sure would look nice now, if ONLY they were not Whaley guys So wait - you're blaming beane for woods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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