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Prediction: Bills will go no huddle on Sunday

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28 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Wheels, this makes no sense.   Just because  guy  cant block doesn't mean he can't line up and learn the play call.  

 

 

 

I think if they ran no huddle for an extended time, and the line is sitting there in formation as I would hope they would to eat time, it will be an issue for them penalty wise. Again my view is we'd need sit there, and roll clock, playing some ugly, time-consuming football to have any chance win. And if we do, I think they false start. You can disagree but it's not hard to follow.

 

You apparently assume our line is simply bad physically but NOT bad/raw mentally, and I don't see why you do. Newer unit "gel-wise", not that talented, not that strong. I'd just call the damn plays in the huddle, go out, and freakin' run block. A-B-Cs, 1-2-3s, because it's all I think they can handle. I think that deflects some of our weakness (line) and plays to our strength (LeSean).

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said:

 

 

 

I think if they ran no huddle for an extended time, and the line is sitting there in formation as I would hope they would to eat time, it will be an issue for them penalty wise. Again my view is we'd need sit there, and roll clock, playing some ugly, time-consuming football to have any chance win. And if we do, I think they false start. You can disagree but it's not hard to follow.

 

You apparently assume our line is simply bad physically but NOT bad/raw mentally, and I don't see why you do. Newer unit "gel-wise", not that talented, not that strong. I'd just call the damn plays in the huddle, go out, and freakin' run block. A-B-Cs, 1-2-3s, because it's all I think they can handle. I think that deflects some of our weakness (line) and plays to our strength (LeSean).

 

 

 

I don't agree but you may be right. 

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On September 13, 2018 at 10:23 AM, MAJBobby said:

Here me out this is why. 

 

1.  It gives Josh a little help reading defense presnap with the OC in his ear to help (think they shut it off with 10 seconds to go right). 

 

2.  Will slow down passrush. The No huddle always does that because it is harder for rotation. 

 

3.  To clarify I am not talking throw it all over the yard but more of a Huddle at the line like College does (that is where the game is going IMO). 

 

Finally the first play from him I would love to see is 4 wide. Under center. Play action to Shady (they will likey be thinking run to protect the rookie), all WRs run gos. Hits the top of his drop and lets it fly. (Ala the Carolina game). 

I like!! I'd go deep on my first 2 plays. Let teams know that if they keep that safety in the box, you're liable to get burned.

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On 9/13/2018 at 10:23 AM, MAJBobby said:

Here me out this is why. 

 

1.  It gives Josh a little help reading defense presnap with the OC in his ear to help (think they shut it off with 10 seconds to go right). 

 

2.  Will slow down passrush. The No huddle always does that because it is harder for rotation. 

 

3.  To clarify I am not talking throw it all over the yard but more of a Huddle at the line like College does (that is where the game is going IMO). 

 

Finally the first play from him I would love to see is 4 wide. Under center. Play action to Shady (they will likey be thinking run to protect the rookie), all WRs run gos. Hits the top of his drop and lets it fly. (Ala the Carolina game). 

 

Would love to see that kind of stick it to you aggressiveness and am a big believer in how it presents opportunities to dictate pace to the defense and puts them on their heels when run competently, but somehow I doubt a conservative McD will let that happen this early? Kelly’s Bills didn’t even start running the no-huddle as their primary system until sometime during the 1990 season (against Randall Cunningham & the Eagles) so 4 seasons in 

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18 hours ago, iinii said:

I have to agree. DCs are going to stop the run first and force Allen to beat them with his arm. The next two weeks are going to be a tall order, the Chargers and Vikings play very well on defense. Throwing a rookie into that environment especially on the road next week is a very risky proposition.

 

Expecting Allen to carry an offense at this stage with inferior surrounding cast is asking for trouble. Short drives, three and outs and/or turnovers is going to make for long afternoons. Sending McCarron to Oakland was a huge mistake. Read the SI article on Mahomes and how a year watching is paying dividends. 

 

Swimming in a pool infested with sharks doesn’t necessarily mean you will become a great swimmer. If Allen gets eaten alive physically and/or emotionally then the franchise is set back two more years and the Williams’ era will almost look appealing. 

 

Trading McCarron was a HUGE mistake imo.  So we have proven now Peterman isn't ready and may never be.  Now even if they didn't want to, if they want any pretense of winning, they have to start their future behind a dismal line with dismal receivers.  Allen has a good shot at getting hurt behind that line, imagine the entire season with Peterman at the helm.  And what if Peterman gets hurt, he got hurt last year with highly limited play behind a better o line.

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11 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Trading McCarron was a HUGE mistake imo.  So we have proven now Peterman isn't ready and may never be.  Now even if they didn't want to, if they want any pretense of winning, they have to start their future behind a dismal line with dismal receivers.  Allen has a good shot at getting hurt behind that line, imagine the entire season with Peterman at the helm.  And what if Peterman gets hurt, he got hurt last year with highly limited play behind a better o line.

 

McCarron wouldn't have gotten the Bills the win and likely wouldn't win too many games if he were starting.  Better to just get the Josh Allen era started.

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34 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

McCarron wouldn't have gotten the Bills the win and likely wouldn't win too many games if he were starting.  Better to just get the Josh Allen era started.

 

If the goal this year is to really win games what happens if Allen gets hurt or proves he is no better than Peterman...0-16.

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7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

If the goal this year is to really win games what happens if Allen gets hurt or proves he is no better than Peterman...0-16.

 

I didn't see much from McCarron in pre-season to give me any indication that he would be any better than Peterman.  I also think the outcome of the Ravens game is still the same and they still turn to Allen. 

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18 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

It's no huddle, not hurry up. You just call the plays at the line I stead of the huddle.  The only rushing is that people have to get to the line promptly. 

They've practiced doung it all summer.  It isn't a big deal.  

 

I understand it is not hurry up but by your own admission, rushing people to get to the line promptly. This is the team that there starting #1 WR didnt know where to properly line up, a dysfunctional O Line that hasnt gelled, a questionable starting C.  For there to be an advantage, for the OC to get a good visual and then relay it to Allen, you probably have to get to the line with 25 seconds on the clock, that is asking waay too much.  Also DCs arent stupid, if the bills sit at the line with the headseats still active, DCs  will show multiple pre-snap alignments.  As Golden Wheels or someone else pointed out this is asking way too much of an ineffective O Line, we will have so many false starts it wont be fumy.

 

Our rookie QB has enough to worry about, trying to rush things is the last thing I would do.  

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I didn't see much from McCarron in pre-season to give me any indication that he would be any better than Peterman.  I also think the outcome of the Ravens game is still the same and they still turn to Allen. 

 

MCarron has some real  experience and actually played somewhat competently in an NFL playoff game, Allen and PEterman have shown next to nothing and with this O line if both get hurt, which is a real possibility, then we turn to Logan Thomas, good luck with that.

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3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

MCarron has some real  experience and actually played somewhat competently in an NFL playoff game, Allen and PEterman have shown next to nothing and with this O line if both get hurt, which is a real possibility, then we turn to Logan Thomas, good luck with that.

 

Do you think McCarron is good enough to get the Bills to the playoffs this year?

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14 hours ago, Golden*Wheels said:

 

 

 

I think if they ran no huddle for an extended time, and the line is sitting there in formation as I would hope they would to eat time, it will be an issue for them penalty wise. Again my view is we'd need sit there, and roll clock, playing some ugly, time-consuming football to have any chance win. And if we do, I think they false start. You can disagree but it's not hard to follow.

 

You apparently assume our line is simply bad physically but NOT bad/raw mentally, and I don't see why you do. Newer unit "gel-wise", not that talented, not that strong. I'd just call the damn plays in the huddle, go out, and freakin' run block. A-B-Cs, 1-2-3s, because it's all I think they can handle. I think that deflects some of our weakness (line) and plays to our strength (LeSean).

 

I think seeing the lineman physically man handled over and over again is the indicator that they are not physically strong. That is a given.  Maybe they are not idiots though.  What makes you think playing "vanilla" would allow a bunch of idiots to gel better than no-huddle? 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Do you think McCarron is good enough to get the Bills to the playoffs this year?

I wrote if the goal is to win games, not even considering the playoffs this year.

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1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I wrote if the goal is to win games, not even considering the playoffs this year.

 

For me this season is about seeing what Allen can do.  Hopefully that involves winning games.  McCarron and Peterman are and never were the future.

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5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

For me this season is about seeing what Allen can do.  Hopefully that involves winning games.  McCarron and Peterman are and never were the future.

Very reasonable. For me this season is about bringing Allen up when he is ready, unfortunately that game plan it out the window, i would be happy if he progresses through the year and doesn't get hurt, if we go 3-13 i dont care esp if we get pick #1.

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5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Very reasonable. For me this season is about bringing Allen up when he is ready, unfortunately that game plan it out the window, i would be happy if he progresses through the year and doesn't get hurt, if we go 3-13 i dont care esp if we get pick #1.

say we do go 3-13 and end up with the first overall pick. what do we do with it? draft Bosa or possiblythe Oliver kid, perhaps trade back to acquire more draft capital?

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Any way you slice it, Daboll has to earn his money this week if we're going to have a chance. The oline should jump less this week since Josh will be calling all the cadences in practice, and the starting wr's should be used to the ball coming at them faster as well. But we will need a lot of misdirection, mayby murphy and shady on the field at the same time, maybe 3 te's for some different looks.

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

say we do go 3-13 and end up with the first overall pick. what do we do with it? draft Bosa or possiblythe Oliver kid, perhaps trade back to acquire more draft capital?

It depends what kind of haul we get, if there is some incredible QB everyone wants trade back.  Lord knows we have plenty of holes to fill 2 wrs, i te, 1 LB (Lorax is ancient), 3-4 O lineman i CB (Davis=bust)..yeap we have a lot of holes s0 most likely trade back.  In three years if Allen works out, Edmunbds is the real deal, we could have a heck of a team.  

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11 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

It depends what kind of haul we get, if there is some incredible QB everyone wants trade back.  Lord knows we have plenty of holes to fill 2 wrs, i te, 1 LB (Lorax is ancient), 3-4 O lineman i CB (Davis=bust)..yeap we have a lot of holes s0 most likely trade back.  In three years if Allen works out, Edmunbds is the real deal, we could have a heck of a team.  

just going by your earlier post i replied to, Allen will have shown improvement so drafting another QB number 1 overall wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. additionally, if there is a qb who is thought worthy of being drafted number 1 overall, that would be a terrfiic position to be in. one would have to assume that another of the top 5 draft positions would need a QB and we  wouldn't have to drop that far back to get additional capital and still be guaranteed a blue chip prospect. it would be my hope that we did trade back and then draft BPA which hopefully would be a position in the trenches and up the middle.

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13 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

It depends what kind of haul we get, if there is some incredible QB everyone wants trade back.  Lord knows we have plenty of holes to fill 2 wrs, i te, 1 LB (Lorax is ancient), 3-4 O lineman i CB (Davis=bust)..yeap we have a lot of holes s0 most likely trade back.  In three years if Allen works out, Edmunbds is the real deal, we could have a heck of a team.  

Maybe take the QB and trade Allen for the draft capital. 

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Just now, Foxx said:

just going by your earlier post i replied to, Allen will have shown improvement so drafting another QB number 1 overall wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. additionally, if there is a qb who is thought worthy of being drafted number 1 overall, that would be a terrfici position to be in. one would have to assume that another of the top 5 draft positions would need a QB and we  wouldn't have to drop that far back to get additional capital and still be guaranteed a blue chip prospect. it would be my hope that we did trade back and then draft BPA which hopefully would be a position in the trenches and up the middle.

I wrote in another post if Allen proves to be a total bust and or is seriously hurt and his future is in question, absolutely we draft a QB if there is one you want.   You might respond one year isnt enough time to tell and Allen was always a project but if he plays really poorly and doesnt make any progress in the season, you have to suck it up, admit you made a mistake a draft a QB.  If by some miracle Allen comes around you have tremendous trade bait with both QBs so haven't lost much at all.

1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Maybe take the QB and trade Allen for the draft capital. 

Yeah why not.

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Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

I wrote in another post if Allen proves to be a total bust and or is seriously hurt and his future is in question, absolutely we draft a QB if there is one you want.   You might respond one year isnt enough time to tell and Allen was always a project but if he plays really poorly and doesnt make any progress in the season, you have to suck it up, admit you made a mistake a draft a QB.  If by some miracle Allen comes around you have tremendous trade bait with both QBs so haven't lost much at all.

oh, i agree with your first sentance. i just don't believe that to be conventional NFL wisdom. hence the chances of it happening are remote.

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3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I wrote in another post if Allen proves to be a total bust and or is seriously hurt and his future is in question, absolutely we draft a QB if there is one you want.   You might respond one year isnt enough time to tell and Allen was always a project but if he plays really poorly and doesnt make any progress in the season, you have to suck it up, admit you made a mistake a draft a QB.  If by some miracle Allen comes around you have tremendous trade bait with both QBs so haven't lost much at all.

Yeah why not.

Conventional wisdom is not always wise. With conventional wisdom the steelers would not have drafted Terry Bradshaw, because they took Hanratty the year before.  The 49'ers wouldn't have traded for  Steve Young.  The cowboys would not have taken Staubach.  

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1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

McCarron wouldn't have gotten the Bills the win and likely wouldn't win too many games if he were starting.  Better to just get the Josh Allen era started.

I don’t think McCarron would make the team that much better if at all. It would just help protect the future of the Bills and Josh Allen. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He sat for two years and his era is well documented. Again look at Aaron Rodgers. All it took was one large man falling on his knee and he is now guestionable and limited. If you are willing to risk the future like that with a kid behind a horrible line so be it. He is going to take a beating this year. Beatings have little educational value IMO.

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3 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Conventional wisdom is not always wise. With conventional wisdom the steelers would not have drafted Terry Bradshaw, because they took Hanratty the year before.  The 49'ers wouldn't have traded for  Steve Young.  The cowboys would not have taken Staubach.  

Everyone thought shananhan was crazy drafting Cousins &  RG III, turned out to be brilliant move, esp since Shanahan preceded to ruin RGIIs career.  QBs are just too damn valuable.

3 minutes ago, iinii said:

I don’t think McCarron would make the team that much better if at all. It would just help protect the future of the Bills and Josh Allen. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He sat for two years and his era is well documented. Again look at Aaron Rodgers. All it took was one large man falling on his knee and he is now guestionable and limited. If you are willing to risk the future like that with a kid behind a horrible line so be it. He is going to take a beating this year. Beatings have little educational value IMO.

Yep!

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