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SI.com: Why Peterman started Wk 1, Why Allen is starting now, and Why Tyrod was never coming back

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23 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

I feel like Some of the stuff in that article clearly came at the direction of, or from a discussion with, Beane and/or McDermott. 

 

Albert Breer is saying what Beane and McDermott can’t say pubically. 

I don't think the lead writer for mmqb takes direction on what he writes from any coaches.

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1 hour ago, Augie said:

Let us hope that crumbling behind an onslaught of opposing rushers is not a season long thing....or fatal to anyone. 

For every sack an olineman gives up, you run 20 laps.....

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3 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

Yeah, but how did he sort through the 90% insanity to get to the 10% of sane stuff he pointed out in the article?

 

I've heard this echoed a lot this preseason on Sirius / NLFN

 

 

 

Let's Go Bills!  Let's Go Josh!!

 

True, but most it was common sense (although I take a risk with that conclusion):

 

Peterman failed (or failed to out himself again as not an NFL starter) because he was prevented from facing any defensive pressure in the preseason.

 

Allen is a top 10 draft pick and that is a significant reason why he will start (because 1st round QB picks typically start in their rookie year in the NFL).

 

The O-line lost some good players.  (can we at some point acknowledge that Glenn only played 6 games and the O-line didn't get worse the rest of the season?)

 

Tyrod had limitations and they could get a pick for him.

 

They parlayed picks into drafts of the guys they wanted.

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Somebody's gotta tell him that Phillips wasn't drafted with our natural 3rd.

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But I was told on TBD that we needed to fire McDermott and Beane...

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50 minutes ago, jletha said:

 Im of the opinion that they expected, or at least were quite comfortable, with Allen playing significant time this season. Otherwise you would never have traded McCarron and left Allen as the only back up. Aside from incompetence injury would have forced Allen on the field, they must have thought of that. TBD is positive that the staff wanted him to sit the entire season but I think they were OK with what they saw from Allen in preseason. Im excited for this Sunday.

Bingo.  I think the only mistake made by Beane was trading AJ.  AJ would have been a good Veteran QB to have on this team to mentor Josh.  However on the flip side,  Sean would have replaced Nate with AJ today for the 2nd game...So Josh wasn't going to get any playing time.     The Bills really need a 10+ year backup QB who will play a mentor role without giving the HC a chance to replace with the Veteran.

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Until the Bills win a game handily they will be thought of as a bad team.   And even they some would call it a fluke.  

 

 

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“Sitting him because your team is bad is a horrible excuse, and so is that they don’t want to hurt his confidence,” said one rival exec, who added that a young player being shaken by a bad week or two “would be a big red flag.” Another personnel director added, “[Allen] gives them their best shot at winning. … Was David Carr ruined because he was put in a bad situation? Or was he just not good enough? Tim Couch? Mark Sanchez?”

 

Not that these rival execs would have a vested interest in having the Bills ruin Allen?   No, that would never be true, would it?    LOL!

 

Of course rookie QBs can be ruined by improper development.   The NFL is littered with their carcasses.    This Bills team is set up incredibly wrong for a young QB:  (1) bad OL, (2) terrible WRs, (3) tough road schedule early in the season, (4) no veteran back up to learn from.     It's a bad recipe for success under any QB, let alone the "new face" of the franchise... 

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4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

“Sitting him because your team is bad is a horrible excuse, and so is that they don’t want to hurt his confidence,” said one rival exec, who added that a young player being shaken by a bad week or two “would be a big red flag.” Another personnel director added, “[Allen] gives them their best shot at winning. … Was David Carr ruined because he was put in a bad situation? Or was he just not good enough? Tim Couch? Mark Sanchez?”

 

Not that these rival execs would have a vested interest in having the Bills ruin Allen?   No, that would never be true, would it?    LOL!

 

Of course rookie QBs can be ruined by improper development.   The NFL is littered with their carcasses.    This Bills team is set up incredibly wrong for a young QB:  (1) bad OL, (2) terrible WRs, (3) tough road schedule early in the season, (4) no veteran back up to learn from.     It's a bad recipe for success under any QB, let alone the "new face" of the franchise... 

And some aren't.  HOFers like Aikman and P Manning.  

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1 hour ago, Ayjent said:

Come on any article that lauds the Star signing should be looked at a tad skeptically.  It's not a bad article, but its certainly one of those pieces that they are trying to sell to demoralized fan base.  The obvious issues are skirted over (like failure to address the O line in the draft or FA in a meaningful way - na 5th round pick and a couple of below average OL FAs doesn't really scream investment in protecting your investment at QB).  Even if you buy into the Tyrod point of view in the article, the fact remains that they could have signed Bridgewater at the level of 6 mil/yr or kept McCarron as a substantial investment in having the luxury to sit Allen if he wasn't ready in their eyes.  Then the cap issues are kind of glossed over on how a team cap strapped created even more dead cap with a couple of their moves this offseason.

 

Of course!  Terry P probably slipped Breer $100G under the table and asked him to write an article to instill faith for the fans.

 

If SI wanted to sell an article and and get the most hits, they'd write an article ripping the Bills for all the moves.

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1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

He nailed it perfectly. Beane worked the salary cap and did some wheeling-and-dealing with draft picks to set us up with a potential franchise QB and still pick up some quality players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

 

#TheProcess

 

This is finally an article that got it right.

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34 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And some aren't.  HOFers like Aikman and P Manning.  

 

0.00001% of NFL QBs?    Buy me a lottery ticket, won't you...

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51 minutes ago, Lurker said:

“Sitting him because your team is bad is a horrible excuse, and so is that they don’t want to hurt his confidence,” said one rival exec, who added that a young player being shaken by a bad week or two “would be a big red flag.” Another personnel director added, “[Allen] gives them their best shot at winning. … Was David Carr ruined because he was put in a bad situation? Or was he just not good enough? Tim Couch? Mark Sanchez?

 

Not that these rival execs would have a vested interest in having the Bills ruin Allen?   No, that would never be true, would it?    LOL!

 

Of course rookie QBs can be ruined by improper development.   The NFL is littered with their carcasses.    This Bills team is set up incredibly wrong for a young QB:  (1) bad OL, (2) terrible WRs, (3) tough road schedule early in the season, (4) no veteran back up to learn from.     It's a bad recipe for success under any QB, let alone the "new face" of the franchise... 

 

Exactly what I said in another thread.

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45 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And some aren't.  HOFers like Aikman and P Manning.  

 

I would like to hear honest answers from the folks here on how they would react if Allen started out the way Aikman did.  

 

Year GP Att Com Pct Yds TD Int Long QB Rating
1989 11 293 155 52.9 1,749 9 18 75 55.7
1990 15 399 226 56.6 2,579 11 18 61 66.6
1991 12 363 237 65.3 2,754 11 10 61 86.7

 

It took Aikman three years to get to where EJ Manuel started as a rookie.

 

Obviously we're in a different era where passing is easier, but people here will probably be screaming to draft another QB by half-way through the season.

 

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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

I don't think the lead writer for mmqb takes direction on what he writes from any coaches.

Never said he did. I was just saying that it sounds like he had a conversation with McDermott or Beane, where they explained their thinking on this season and some of the decisions they’ve made. 

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1 minute ago, Lurker said:

 

0.00001% of NFL QBs?    Buy me a lottery ticket, won't you...

At least he gave you a couple of examples. You gonna come up with a list of rookie QBs who were going to be good but got ruined by having to start too soon on a bad team? Doubt it.

 

To name a few more guys who started as rookies with a below average offensive line and not a ton of help at WR: Wilson. Newton. Matt Ryan. Dalton (Green was a rookie). Luck. Roethlisberger had a nearly identical trajectory as Allen does now although with a much better offensive line. It's not unheard of.

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Good article, it's in-line with how Beane and McD positioned themselves in taking over this team.  The one big fly in the ointment is trading AJ.  We literally have no competent back up quarterback.  Peterman was epically bad in his debut last year.  Couldn't handle the pressure and doesn't have a good enough arm either.  He shouldn't be in the NFL above the practice squad level.

 

We're in dead money hell this year and have to suffer with a poor O-line and WR.  Maybe that's all part of the plan.

But if it is, a well thought out coach doesn't allow AJ to be dealt before NP and the O-line have proven themselves on some level in an actual game.   Now, if Allen gets hurt, our already pathetic offense will collapse.

 

If I were Daboll or McCoy, I'd be utterly pissed at the mess this offense has become.

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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

At least he gave you a couple of examples. You gonna come up with a list of rookie QBs who were going to be good but got ruined by having to start too soon on a bad team?

 

You realize there is literally no way to know this, right?

 

I believe David Carr was such an example, btw.

 

I also believe Bills fans, far too many being complete fools, will run Allen out of town on a rail if he doesn't succeed, and won't cut him any slack at all for the weak team he has to work with.

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1 minute ago, BobChalmers said:

 

You realize there is literally no way to know this, right?

 

I believe David Carr was such an example, btw.

 

I also believe Bills fans, far too many being complete fools, will run Allen out of town on a rail if he doesn't succeed, and won't cut him any slack at all for the weak team he has to work with.

Of course. That was the point.

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4 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Good article, it's in-line with how Beane and McD positioned themselves in taking over this team.  The one big fly in the ointment is trading AJ.  We literally have no competent back up quarterback.  Peterman was epically bad in his debut last year.  Couldn't handle the pressure and doesn't have a good enough arm either.  He shouldn't be in the NFL above the practice squad level.

 

We're in dead money hell this year and have to suffer with a poor O-line and WR.  Maybe that's all part of the plan.

But if it is, a well thought out coach doesn't allow AJ to be dealt before NP and the O-line have proven themselves on some level in an actual game.   Now, if Allen gets hurt, our already pathetic offense will collapse.

 

If I were Daboll or McCoy, I'd be utterly pissed at the mess this offense has become.

 

This is based on the very questionable premise that McCarron was any good.  He lost out to Peterman AND Allen for a good reason.

 

They wanted Bradford, they didn't get him - AJM was the best they could do and he really wasn't worth having.

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1 hour ago, Idandria said:

I love this from the article:

 

“Peterman pulled the rare Blutarsky (passer rating: zero-point-zero) in Baltimore. The performance served as an encore to his five-interception effort against the Chargers in his first career start last fall.”

 

was it ever an an encore performance to a historically bad debut. 

 

And I agree, Peterman needs to be known as Blutarsky going forward. 

 

The Blutarsky line is really funny except if you're Nate. 

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2 hours ago, Ayjent said:

Come on any article that lauds the Star signing should be looked at a tad skeptically.  It's not a bad article, but its certainly one of those pieces that they are trying to sell to demoralized fan base.  The obvious issues are skirted over (like failure to address the O line in the draft or FA in a meaningful way - na 5th round pick and a couple of below average OL FAs doesn't really scream investment in protecting your investment at QB).  Even if you buy into the Tyrod point of view in the article, the fact remains that they could have signed Bridgewater at the level of 6 mil/yr or kept McCarron as a substantial investment in having the luxury to sit Allen if he wasn't ready in their eyes.  Then the cap issues are kind of glossed over on how a team cap strapped created even more dead cap with a couple of their moves this offseason.

I'm not totally sure why folks who live on a Bills information message board 24/7 look to national media guys to give them answers about their team.

 

We know more about the big picture than these writers do, even if we lack some of their contacts.

 

 

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Getting Allen through the accumulation of picks has zero to do with the fiasco of the Peterman Principle that McD and Beane are wholly responsible for.

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27 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

0.00001% of NFL QBs?    Buy me a lottery ticket, won't you...

There are some guys that don't make it if you throw them in as rookies, like Carr and such.  And some that do, like the two I mentioned. And a lot more on either side of the argument.  It is not just 0.0001% of NFL QBs that started as rookies and flamed out because of it. 

 

Perhaps the most direct recent example is Wentz.  Came from a small school, was supposed to sit his rookie year and watch, but because of injury to Bradford got thrown in there.  And he did fine.  It will come down to the talent Allen has, and the intestinal fortitude he has.  As to the latter, he doesn't strike me as the type that will fold under pressure.

 

 

8 minutes ago, BobChalmers said:

 

You realize there is literally no way to know this, right?

 

I believe David Carr was such an example, btw.

 

I also believe Bills fans, far too many being complete fools, will run Allen out of town on a rail if he doesn't succeed, and won't cut him any slack at all for the weak team he has to work with.

Just for fun let's count the number of posts saying he's a bust when he throws his first pick.

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

At least he gave you a couple of examples. You gonna come up with a list of rookie QBs who were going to be good but got ruined by having to start too soon on a bad team? Doubt it.

 

To name a few more guys who started as rookies with a below average offensive line and not a ton of help at WR: Wilson. Newton. Matt Ryan. Dalton (Green was a rookie). Luck. Roethlisberger had a nearly identical trajectory as Allen does now although with a much better offensive line. It's not unheard of.

Shhh.  Facts are dangerous.

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1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:


I get what you're saying and had the same suspicion.

 

On the other hand, I disagree with the critics who call Beane and McD  "clueless" and the like.   It's easy to see there's a rational plan behind all their moves.  

 

An effective plan?  We'll see.  I don't agree with every move Beane's made either.  But there's real logic and football acumen at work.  

Agreed. I think they are far from clueless, and I think they have a clear plan + vision for this team (which is more than I can say for most of the previous regimes). 

 

I know that many around here really seem to have turned on them after last Sunday. But I am still a big fan of McDermott.

 

This year was was always going to be a struggle, with the crazy amount of dead cap space and likely struggles of a rookie QB. I have high hopes for the future, though. 

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