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Kim Pegula: Bills' Stadium Plans on Hold until after November Elections - John Wawrow AP Story

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4 hours ago, coloradobillsfan said:

 

I hope they realize the tailgate is a major reason why I even buy a ticket in the first place.  I've been to more meaningless December games than I can ever hope to remember, and the party before the games is the biggest reason I do.  I know I'm not a STH so my opinion probably doesn't matter much, but I also know there are many others like me.  

Let me get this straight. You're a tailgating fan who happens to meet at a football stadium.

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58 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Should you pass in a blizzard?

 

58 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Should you pass in a blizzard?

 

 

If iou play in a dome?  Of course!!!

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16 hours ago, stony said:

Yes.  All the other teams in cold climates do.  

Cold climates and Blizzard's are the same?

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52 minutes ago, White Linen said:

Cold climates and Blizzard's are the same?

you're getting blizzards in warm climates? huh, who knew.

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Don't believe everything you hear. They already  know who is going to win the election  as NY is a 

Democratic State and NIxon is a actress running against a professional politician.

They know what they are going to do. Just won't say.

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2 hours ago, White Linen said:

Cold climates and Blizzard's are the same?

Dodge the overall point, that’s fine. We’ve hired 3 coaches in a row who believe “run the ball and stop the run in December” is the only way to win in Buffalo. I have a suspicion that’s what Terry thinks is most important too. 

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20 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Just drive the metro thru the stadium.  It can replace that idiotic train sound they broadcast during game.

Frequently the biggest anti-climax of the day, when the Bills 'D' lays yet, another egg.

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On 9/12/2018 at 6:39 PM, ShadyBillsFan said:

Is Dunkirk Don running for office?

 

Has it occurred to you that "Dunkirk" Don is already the president? I did a textual analysis of his posts and the tweets of #RealDonaldTrump. I have determined with 95% confidence that they are one and the same person.

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2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Has it occurred to you that "Dunkirk" Don is already the president? I did a textual analysis of his posts and the tweets of #RealDonaldTrump. I have determined with 95% confidence that they are one and the same person.

 

Are you "Anonymous"?

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12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

That's disappointing, at least with her in office it guarantees that we get a few years without the possibility of any more Sex in the City movies or reboots.....

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On 9/13/2018 at 5:25 PM, BUFFALOBART said:

Frequently the biggest anti-climax of the day, when the Bills 'D' lays yet, another egg.

 

Making a showplace and putting drunks in stockade would work better.

8 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

That's disappointing, at least with her in office it guarantees that we get a few years without the possibility of any more Sex in the City movies or reboots.....

 

Well if you do not like them then you should stop watching it.

 

If you never watched then you are like some posters and media personalities who did not watch games but complained about performance based on box score and stats.

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After Cuomo's shocking win in the primary, is Kim still going to wait to bring up the stadium until after another closely contested general election in November?  

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9 hours ago, WhoTom said:

 

Are you "Anonymous"?

I can't answer that. But I do refer to myself as a "Senior Official." Official what, I don't know. But Official.

9 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

That's disappointing, at least with her in office it guarantees that we get a few years without the possibility of any more Sex in the City movies or reboots.....

I am not looking forward to that new Sex in the City movie where she lets her lesbian side show. It comes at least 20 years too late, and the wrong actress too.

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1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I can't answer that. But I do refer to myself as a "Senior Official." Official what, I don't know. But Official.

I am not looking forward to that new Sex in the City movie where she lets her lesbian side show. It comes at least 20 years too late, and the wrong actress too.

There was one SATC episode where Kim Catrall played for the other team. Sonia Braga was her experiment. 

 

What can I say, the show was popular in the 90s

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15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

There was one SATC episode where Kim Catrall played for the other team. Sonia Braga was her experiment. 

 

What can I say, the show was popular in the 90s

Almost enough to make me watch an episode ...

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Somewhat stadium related:  New sites proposed to replace Buffalo's 'obsolete' convention center

 

Option 1: Expand the Buffalo Niagara Convention Center between Franklin Street and Delaware Avenue. This option envisions renovating the existing convention center, expanding it into what is now the rear part of the Statler building across the street and taking over the entire block north of the Statler. Sky bridges would connect the parcels. The preliminary cost estimate: $350 million to $429 million.

 

Option 2: Build one large and contiguous convention center at the HSBC site between Washington Street and Michigan Avenue. This option calls for constructing a convention center from scratch near Canalside on land currently used as paved parking by HSBC and The Buffalo News near KeyBank Center. The preliminary cost estimate: $329 million to $368 million.

 

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Highlights of the study were shared with Howard Zemsky, commissioner of Empire State Development, the state's economic development arm. Also briefed were Mayor Byron Brown, Bills and Sabres owners Terry and Kim Pegula and key members of the state delegation in Albany.

 

Curious timing - wonder if we will start to see more attention to this post election.  If option 2 comes about - will we see a multi-use stadium/convention center emerge? 

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9 minutes ago, buffalobillsfootball said:

Somewhat stadium related:  New sites proposed to replace Buffalo's 'obsolete' convention center

 

Option 1: Expand the Buffalo Niagara Convention Center between Franklin Street and Delaware Avenue. This option envisions renovating the existing convention center, expanding it into what is now the rear part of the Statler building across the street and taking over the entire block north of the Statler. Sky bridges would connect the parcels. The preliminary cost estimate: $350 million to $429 million.

 

Option 2: Build one large and contiguous convention center at the HSBC site between Washington Street and Michigan Avenue. This option calls for constructing a convention center from scratch near Canalside on land currently used as paved parking by HSBC and The Buffalo News near KeyBank Center. The preliminary cost estimate: $329 million to $368 million.

 

1011230345-convention-cen3-1100x733.jpg

 

Highlights of the study were shared with Howard Zemsky, commissioner of Empire State Development, the state's economic development arm. Also briefed were Mayor Byron Brown, Bills and Sabres owners Terry and Kim Pegula and key members of the state delegation in Albany.

 

Curious timing - wonder if we will start to see more attention to this post election.  If option 2 comes about - will we see a multi-use stadium/convention center emerge? 

When Poloncarz says "we" have to decide it brings up some interesting things.

 

First. that "we" is merely tokenism democracy and the reality is, both based on who got to see this draft before it was released, and the fact that developers (see: donors) and the Visit Buffalo Niagara tourism rely on and have input into this decision, means there is not decision. It's been made and Poloncarz and other political and business insiders have already made a decision on this, which is "yes" build it to support and double down on corporate welfare handouts to Paladino, Zemsky, Sinatra, Ciminell, Musk etc. so we as taxpayers and further ensure they make profit.

 

Second, if "we" as a community decide (not sure how this happens since there's not vote and no transparency in decision making) that this is a good idea, then WE are part of the problem in WNY for believing these type of projects have any benefit for the average person. Think about what a convention center is. It's a place for visitors to come and attend some conference, rent a hotel room, and consume in bars and restaurants. All that funnels money to... the same entities who bars, restaurants, and hotels we as taxpayers have already supported through some form of subsidy or outright gift. Politicians argue it benefits the region through job creation, both a convention center and the hospitality industry it serves. But in reality, we're subsidizing and supporting low wage service jobs that should be for teenagers and college kids and instead end up being careers for some because this economy is low functioning for high quality knowledge economy workers because we continue to focus on these bad projects. So who wins? Developers and politicians who continue their quid pro quo relationship whereby politicians funnel money and profit to them in exchange for campaign donations to keep them in office. So if we want this region to change, let's get away from these stupid silver bullet projects and get to meaningful change. 

 

Third, a convention center is really a dumb idea. How does Buffalo compete from November to April for conventions with Atlanta, Tampa, Austin, LA, Charlotte, Miami, New Orleans, etc. Or even Chicago or Minneapolis or NYC or Boston if someone wants to hold a convention in the northern cities. We don't, that's how. Just an absolute garbage idea. And I don't care what a consultant paid to investigate the feasibility of a convention center says when they know they're being hired to tell politicians it's a good idea.

 

Lastly, I suspect a connection between this and a Bills stadium in some way. A multiple purpose "district" is an easier sell (not that Poloncarz or anyone will sell it, they'll jam it down our throats) when you move from a stadium for 10 days a year to a stadium plus a convention center for 25 days a year. If I were these politicians, I'd triple down. A stadium that is for the Bills and UB and the convention center. UB's stadium sucks and state money funneled to the Bills through UB is easier all around sell. Although I suspect most Bills fans are OK with handing a billionaire their tax money to ensure his profit, but this STH isn't. 

 

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23 hours ago, zonabb said:

When Poloncarz says "we" have to decide it brings up some interesting things.

 

First. that "we" is merely tokenism democracy and the reality is, both based on who got to see this draft before it was released, and the fact that developers (see: donors) and the Visit Buffalo Niagara tourism rely on and have input into this decision, means there is not decision. It's been made and Poloncarz and other political and business insiders have already made a decision on this, which is "yes" build it to support and double down on corporate welfare handouts to Paladino, Zemsky, Sinatra, Ciminell, Musk etc. so we as taxpayers and further ensure they make profit.

 

Second, if "we" as a community decide (not sure how this happens since there's not vote and no transparency in decision making) that this is a good idea, then WE are part of the problem in WNY for believing these type of projects have any benefit for the average person. Think about what a convention center is. It's a place for visitors to come and attend some conference, rent a hotel room, and consume in bars and restaurants. All that funnels money to... the same entities who bars, restaurants, and hotels we as taxpayers have already supported through some form of subsidy or outright gift. Politicians argue it benefits the region through job creation, both a convention center and the hospitality industry it serves. But in reality, we're subsidizing and supporting low wage service jobs that should be for teenagers and college kids and instead end up being careers for some because this economy is low functioning for high quality knowledge economy workers because we continue to focus on these bad projects. So who wins? Developers and politicians who continue their quid pro quo relationship whereby politicians funnel money and profit to them in exchange for campaign donations to keep them in office. So if we want this region to change, let's get away from these stupid silver bullet projects and get to meaningful change. 

 

Third, a convention center is really a dumb idea. How does Buffalo compete from November to April for conventions with Atlanta, Tampa, Austin, LA, Charlotte, Miami, New Orleans, etc. Or even Chicago or Minneapolis or NYC or Boston if someone wants to hold a convention in the northern cities. We don't, that's how. Just an absolute garbage idea. And I don't care what a consultant paid to investigate the feasibility of a convention center says when they know they're being hired to tell politicians it's a good idea.

 

Lastly, I suspect a connection between this and a Bills stadium in some way. A multiple purpose "district" is an easier sell (not that Poloncarz or anyone will sell it, they'll jam it down our throats) when you move from a stadium for 10 days a year to a stadium plus a convention center for 25 days a year. If I were these politicians, I'd triple down. A stadium that is for the Bills and UB and the convention center. UB's stadium sucks and state money funneled to the Bills through UB is easier all around sell. Although I suspect most Bills fans are OK with handing a billionaire their tax money to ensure his profit, but this STH isn't. 

 

 

Attitudes like this keep Buffalo mired as a 2nd tier city

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On ‎9‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 6:56 PM, Mr. WEO said:

After Cuomo's shocking win in the primary, is Kim still going to wait to bring up the stadium until after another closely contested general election in November?  

 

...doesn't matter....Dunkirk Don's dome will be done by then anyway............

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26 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Attitudes like this keep Buffalo mired as a 2nd tier city

 

I had read that Buffalo actually does good convention business. Mostly regional stuff.

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