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Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Soda Popinski said: This "look at the tape" BS is a song and dance we've heard before. Hell at least Dick Jauron's defenses kept games close, we get blown out by Baltimore? The offensive juggernaut? Pffftttt, that was sad. Soda Pop, the proof will be in the pudding, but Baltimore just may be more of an offensive juggernaut than one thinks. 2014: Kubiak as OC brings Baltimore to playoffs, and packs his bags to coach in Denver. Last time Baltimore sees playoffs of recent years. 2015: Trestman as OC. Offense slides from #8 prev year to #25. 2016: #21 offense Trestman is fired in October and replaced by Mornhinweg 2017: Ravens offense improves from #21 to #9 (they also added Roman as run game coordinator and changed OL coach) 2018: Ravens sign Crabtree and Brown to bolster their WR corps as well as drafting two TE, two WR, and a QB I guess we'll see. 1 minute ago, SoTier said: Nate Solder is a LT. They didn't need him because LT was the only OL position where the Bills actually had depth with Cordy Glenn healthy, Dion Dawkins looking good as a rookie, and Seantrel Henderson a solid backup. McDermott/Beane fixed that in short ordper. They let Henderson walk away in FA to the Texans for whom he became their starting LT. Then they traded away Cordy Glenn, incurring a $9.6 million cap hit. Glenn is Cinci's starting LT. If the Bills had kept Dareus so that they wouldn't have to sign Star, they would have something like $7 million extra to spend on FAs -- like maybe re-signing EJ Gaines rather than spending on Vontae Davis and Phillip Gaines. If they had kept Taylor, they wouldn't have had to sign AJ McCarron ... and face having Nate Peterman wasting a roster spot ... and saved $9.7 million in dead cap space for Taylor and McCarron. There's no question that to say the Bills lacked the cap space to sign FA, is simply to beg the question "why?" The lack of cap space is a bed the Bills quite deliberately created for themselves with their roster moves, and chose to lie in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Soda Pop, the proof will be in the pudding, but Baltimore just may be more of an offensive juggernaut than one thinks. 2014: Kubiak as OC brings Baltimore to playoffs, and packs his bags to coach in Denver. Last time Baltimore sees playoffs of recent years. 2015: Trestman as OC. Offense slides from #8 prev year to #25. 2016: #21 offense Trestman is fired in October and replaced by Mornhinweg 2017: Ravens offense improves from #21 to #9 (they also added Roman as run game coordinator and changed OL coach) 2018: Ravens sign Crabtree and Brown to bolster their WR corps as well as drafting two TE, two WR, and a QB I guess we'll see. Their offense may be good, but no way our offense was supposed to be that bad or get blown out the way we did. Now I do think that their oline got better once a certain OL coach was replaced.........*cough* *cough* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: About what? You really think he paid back the $1M? No I'm saying he never got it. Otherwise his dead cap for this year would be $2.15M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Ravens did a helluv a job getting pieces but already had a QB and D line, McBrain decided to clear house, but last year’s performances were better than expected. The rest of the clearing was done throughout off season plus Woods retirement. Guessing they planned this all along to get their guys in but last season raised expectations. Now the Bills really stink in all the areas mentioned. Oline needs to continued replacement. Need more D line and another stud linebacker as well as another CB and WRs are a mess. Cap space is available next year. They had to know this year was going to be a disaster but maybe they started to believe their own hype coaching abilities to turn trash into gold... maybe if only a few players but not this much trash. Gonna be a rough tank year... Edited September 10, 2018 by North Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Dude for one their GM is another Russ Brandon. He's a contract guy being asked to pick players. It's the dumbest thing we do here. It's like they're afraid to hire a real football man because he won't get along with them in meetings and on an interpersonal level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, North Buffalo said: Short term, this season is going to suck. The only worry is if it screws up Josh Allen... given his temperament... don't think it will. That being said, not addressing wide receiver and O-line. Especially when Ducasse was such a tire fire last year. Heck he got let go by the Giants. With our cap situation this year and the unexpected demise of both Wood and Incognito, I expected us to regress this year. We over achieved last year and I can accept a bad year this year. Your point is 100% spot on in that what matters is Josh Allen's health and development. A competent organization would center their offense on the development of Allen this year --- which most likely would mean some bench time and carefully managed relief opportunities and maybe some spot starts late in the year. Instead we have not even finished NFL week 1 yet and are in a position of HAVING to throw Allen to the wolves simply because we have nobody even remotely credible we can start in his place. The same people braying about just throw him into deep water and seeing if he can swim are likely the same people who will be braying post season about what a wasted pick he was because because he got sacked 60 times and only had a 50% completion rate (because he had no time to throw). Even Allen's supporters mostly agreed he was a developmental prospect and not NFL ready. He needs a competent OL and some motivated WRs to develop at all if playing. We needed someone to absorb snaps while he learned. We put all our eggs in the leaking basket of Nate Peterman instead, with no further contingencies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, fansince88 said: Agree 100% possibly even more. So much that I think this reply to the post is acceptable. There's a reason why it is in AFI's top ten comedies of all time. Because it deserves it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, SoTier said: Nate Solder is a LT. They didn't need him because LT was the only OL position where the Bills actually had depth with Cordy Glenn healthy, Dion Dawkins looking good as a rookie, and Seantrel Henderson a solid backup. McDermott/Beane fixed that in short ordper. They let Henderson walk away in FA to the Texans for whom he became their starting LT. Then they traded away Cordy Glenn, incurring a $9.6 million cap hit. Glenn is Cinci's starting LT. If the Bills had kept Dareus so that they wouldn't have to sign Star, they would have something like $7 million extra to spend on FAs -- like maybe re-signing EJ Gaines rather than spending on Vontae Davis and Phillip Gaines. If they had kept Taylor, they wouldn't have had to sign AJ McCarron ... and face having Nate Peterman wasting a roster spot ... and saved $9.7 million in dead cap space for Taylor and McCarron. Darius saved us cap money last year and this year, despite the dead cap. His savings were used to sign Star its basically a push. Cordy and Tyrod saved us 15 mil in cap space this year. That accounts for the salary of Davis, Murphy, AJ and Bodine, meaning we only would have had space for the depth guys we signed. This team is probably better with Darius Tyrod and Glenn but its still not a good team with them. I'll take the 2nd, 3rd, and 5th we got for those players to build for the future over having those three guys make our terrible team a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: He didn't honor the new contract so he didn't get the $1M. That's how it works. He did however earn that $1.15M bonus he got 2 years ago. Top-5 OG play for bottom-2 starting OG money? That was a steal for the Bills! But all good things must come to an end and Richie screwed himself more than anyone since he'll make no money this year and never play again in the NFL. You have to live with the consequences of your actions. Both Richie AND the team lost. Think what you will of Richie's off field persona he was an absolute beast on the field. Richie strikes me as a guy who needs the NFL and football to keep his life and emotions together. The Bills threw silly money at guys like lotulei and Murphy this year, yet low balled Richie when he already had one of the best value contracts in the NFL when you considered his performance over the past few years. Richie, probably understood how much he needs football to keep his life together and accepted originally before understanding how much $$$ was going elsewhere. Understandably pissed he protested and McDermott did his "My Way" thing leaving Richie out of the league and starting a predictable downward spiral. Richie has his issues but the way the Bills handled his contract was classless. Meanwhile we take on and throw away 3.5 million $$$ for two weeks of Corey Coleman. The epitome of Organizational Incompetence. Edited September 10, 2018 by CamboBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 hours ago, billsblood said: I agree with this rant...... is it time for the KAP? There is no time that would = KAP. Some things are bigger than trying to win a football game. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 hours ago, CamboBill said: We need a one year starter to absorb Snaps until we can create a better situation for Allen Next year. A one year starter return would be exactly what Kaep needs to get back in the league and would give the Bills time and flexibility to spot Allen in places he can succeed. I would be all in on Kaep but the F/O wankers would never court such "controversy"as offending some right wingers. We need to get someone though. Preferably someone who can run for their lives Did you see the San Fran game last time he played here? Bills fans might hate him more than any other fan base. He and McBeane would be chased out of town with pitchforks if they tries that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: With the McCarron deal, we paid $4 MILLION for a 2019 5th round pick. Pegs has to be livid. How about 5M to a corner who doesn't even dress? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Sorry but the dead cap was an inherited problem that he has addressed so we have 70M plus to spend next year. He had to get us out if cap hell and this team is the result of that. Think about it. We have 2/3s of what other teams have to spend on a roster this year...that's the issue. You think he wants some of these people? No. But it's the hole we are in. 1 draft pick doesnt fix but 1 pick and 70M can. Even if Buffalo uses their 2019 cap space, there aren't many options in UFA to spend it on. It's also proven that a team doesn't adequately build through UFA, only augmenting a base which, at least in Buffalo, doesn't exist. 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Losing Eric Wood was a blow they couldn't control, but they screwed by low balling Richie. They did the best they could to back fill, but the OL is obviously a mess. Your opinion and insistence on Richie returning are the equivalent of not using a helmet while sky diving. Perhaps even a parachute. The man is not mentally capable of playing in the NFL right now. End. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: How about 5M to a corner who doesn't even dress? Honestly, this is not hindsight. I wanted to sign EJ when it looked like it was down to 5-6 million. I'd rather have two health risk CBs on the opposite side of Tre than just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, SoTier said: McDermott is a "my way or the highway" HC. Dareus was not a "malcontent" in the locker room. He didn't fit in with whatever McDermott wanted in his players, so McDermott wanted him gone without regard to the consequences for the team on the field or for the cap. The same with the Watkins trade; again a player was sent packing because he didn't "fit" the HC's mold, leaving the Bills without any speed or reliabilty among the WRs. That's not having a plan, that's accommodating the HC's my-way-or-the-highway mentality. Actual football talent > Football "DNA" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamboBill Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: With the McCarron deal, we paid $4 MILLION for a 2019 5th round pick. Pegs has to be livid. uggghhh --- is that cap hit or out of pocket? its a 5th rounder? for some reason I remember a 4th rounder It just gets worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Should have hired Andy Reid instead of Doug Marrone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, MJS said: One game. it was a very telling game. 4 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: Should have hired Andy Reid instead of Doug Marrone yea, but there's a ton of things this organization could have and should have done differently (including this current regime). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, SoTier said: I think that's because the right wingers they'd be offending would be their fellow owners and execs. As history shows, the Bills don't really care if they offend their fanbase because they've done that repeatedly with the crap product they repeatedly have put on the field over the decades. I'd wager many Bills fans would rather lose with Peterman than win with Kaep, so yes, the customer is factored into the equation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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