Ayjent Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: As I said, the Defense was not great - but they were not as bad as the score or fans would indicate. It was a cumulative effect outside of the first drive. They were clearly still getting themselves acclimated but the Ravens had 34 rushes, for a 3.4 yard average and possessed the ball for over 35 minutes. That, takes a cumulative effect on a Defense and had the Bills Offense been able to sustain a few drives, those numbers would look quite different. Additionally, keep in mind Lamar Jackson contributed to that rushing total. Ravens had 261 passing yards, not great but not abysmal. The score was the score because the Bills Offense couldn't get out of their own end and field position was generally not good for them, with the Defense needing to Defend a short field. Are they excused? Hell no! But it's not nearly the beat down the score would say it was. Additionally when put into context, we can see why there is hope for the Defense. The Offense is another issue - with Allen I think there's hope, with Peterman the Offense is toast. The Ravens scored on their first three drives and had somewhere around 10 yds/play in the first quarter. The Bills had the ball for 2 minutes to the Ravens 11 late in the first quarter - you can blame the two minutes on both the offense and defense - the offense couldn’t stay on it and the defense couldnt get off of it. But they both came out of the gate looking like crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Doc said: He's talking about the pay cut he was offered, accepted, and then regretted. He should have accepted it because $3.65M is infinitely better than $0. He walked away with $2.15M and didn't have to play a down. "What seems to have happened is that Athletes First negotiated a new contract for Incognito, he now wishes he hadn’t signed that contract, he knows he can’t get out of the contract by retiring because then he’d have to pay back his signing bonus, and now he wants the Bills to cut him so he doesn’t have to pay his signing bonus." https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/15/richie-incognito-asks-to-be-released-from-his-contract/ Edited September 10, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: He walked away with $2.15M and didn't have to play a down. "What seems to have happened is that Athletes First negotiated a new contract for Incognito, he now wishes he hadn’t signed that contract, he knows he can’t get out of the contract by retiring because then he’d have to pay back his signing bonus, and now he wants the Bills to cut him so he doesn’t have to pay his signing bonus." https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/15/richie-incognito-asks-to-be-released-from-his-contract/ He walked away with nothing but what was already given to him in prior years. At a severely under-market rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Doc said: He walked away with nothing but what was already given to him in prior years. At a severely under-market rate. It's almost as if he had a checkered past.......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Doc said: He walked away with nothing but what was already given to him in prior years. At a severely under-market rate. Yeah, the Bills screwed him, but he still got the $1.15M from the 2016 contract the the $1M from the new contract. In fact, the Bills screwed themselves because the OL is a shambles. Edited September 10, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 43 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: That's called putting your plan in place. They got rid of a malcontent in Dareus who was not playing to a level anywhere near where his contract said he should. They traded Darby and Watkins. Watkins I disagreed with but time shows he has not done much since he left. Darby one could argue they should have kept, but there was just an article in si.com about how they expect he won't get resigned by the Eagles. They knew they'd take a cap hit this year. One can argue about whether they could have restructured contracts or something else, but they decided to rip the band aid off rather than slowly pull on it. The success or failure of that plan will be dictated by how they use the excess cap dollars they'll have next year. McDermott is a "my way or the highway" HC. Dareus was not a "malcontent" in the locker room. He didn't fit in with whatever McDermott wanted in his players, so McDermott wanted him gone without regard to the consequences for the team on the field or for the cap. The same with the Watkins trade; again a player was sent packing because he didn't "fit" the HC's mold, leaving the Bills without any speed or reliabilty among the WRs. That's not having a plan, that's accommodating the HC's my-way-or-the-highway mentality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ayjent said: The Ravens scored on their first three drives and had somewhere around 10 yds/play in the first quarter. The Bills had the ball for 2 minutes to the Ravens 11 late in the first quarter - you can blame the two minutes on both the offense and defense - the offense couldn’t stay on it and the defense couldnt get off of it. But they both came out of the gate looking like crap. Again, the three and outs have a cumulative effect. I'm not saying the Defense was good, I'm saying it's not as bad as some are making it out to be when you look at the totality of circumstances. Dumping all over the Defense without taking into consideration just how much was asked of them in context of what the Offense *didn't* do, is failing to put it in perspective, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Yeah, the Bills screwed him, but he still got the $1.15M from the 2016 contract the the $1M from the new contract. In fact, the Bills screwed themselves because the OL is a shambles. He didn't honor the new contract so he didn't get the $1M. That's how it works. He did however earn that $1.15M bonus he got 2 years ago. Top-5 OG play for bottom-2 starting OG money? That was a steal for the Bills! But all good things must come to an end and Richie screwed himself more than anyone since he'll make no money this year and never play again in the NFL. You have to live with the consequences of your actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, SoTier said: McDermott is a "my way or the highway" HC. Dareus was not a "malcontent" in the locker room. He didn't fit in with whatever McDermott wanted in his players, so McDermott wanted him gone without regard to the consequences for the team on the field or for the cap. The same with the Watkins trade; again a player was sent packing because he didn't "fit" the HC's mold, leaving the Bills without any speed or reliabilty among the WRs. That's not having a plan, that's accommodating the HC's my-way-or-the-highway mentality. No, that is actually having a plan. Your hatred blinds you to anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, SoTier said: McDermott is a "my way or the highway" HC. Dareus was not a "malcontent" in the locker room. He didn't fit in with whatever McDermott wanted in his players, so McDermott wanted him gone without regard to the consequences for the team on the field or for the cap. The same with the Watkins trade; again a player was sent packing because he didn't "fit" the HC's mold, leaving the Bills without any speed or reliabilty among the WRs. That's not having a plan, that's accommodating the HC's my-way-or-the-highway mentality. You can't be serious with this line. Dareus showed up late to work all the time. No coach wants that in any of his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: He didn't honor the new contract so he didn't get the $1M. That's how it works. He did however earn that $1.15M bonus he got 2 years ago. Top-5 OG play for bottom-2 starting OG money? That was a steal for the Bills! But all good things must come to an end and Richie screwed himself more than anyone since he'll make no money this year and never play again in the NFL. You have to live with the consequences of your actions. He signed a contract which included $1M bonus and the Bills chose to release him. He keeps the money. If he retires, he has to pay it back, plus the $1.15M from the 2016 contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 As for Watkins, he's not worth nearly what he wanted and especially what he is getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 3 hours ago, dezertbill said: Title of this thread is ridiculous. This front office has made some great decisions. One area it seems Beane fell short is the OL. They underestimated the loss of Richie, Woods, and Glenn. Frustrating? Yes. Leading to total FO incompetence? Not even close. Back off the ledge. It's week 1. Lets see how the coaches, team, and FO rebound from this. O-Line depth sucks around the league, the Colts and Seahawks have both struggled to keep their franchise guy upright. What you do need is someone that can catch and bail a QB out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: He signed a contract which included $1M bonus and the Bills chose to release him. He keeps the money. If he retires, he has to pay it back, plus the $1.15M from the 2016 contract. He signed a contract that said that he'd get a $1M bonus if he took a pay cut. Since he didn't end up honoring that contract, he didn't get the $1M. That's how it works. I gave you proof of that (Spotrac link) and you have nothing to back you up so there's no reason for anyone to believe what you claim. You are free to continue to believe it if you wish because it's a free country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 We needed help all over the field and had limited resources to fill those holes. Getting a stud QB and MLB in the draft when both are positions of need is a good move. Could we have spent our 20 mil of cap space better than on AJ, Star, Murphy and Davis? Sure. Could we have filled all our needs with that cash? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Doc said: He signed a contract that said that he'd get a $1M bonus if he took a pay cut. Since he didn't end up honoring that contract, he didn't get the $1M. That's how it works. I gave you proof of that (Spotrac link) and you have nothing to back you up so there's no reason for anyone to believe what you claim. You are free to continue to believe it if you wish because it's a free country. What didn't he honor? The Bills gave him a $1M bonus and then made a decision to release him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: What didn't he honor? The Bills gave him a $1M bonus and then made a decision to release him. You're kidding, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: We needed help all over the field and had limited resources to fill those holes. Getting a stud QB and MLB in the draft when both are positions of need is a good move. Could we have spent our 20 mil of cap space better than on AJ, Star, Murphy and Davis? Sure. Could we have filled all our needs with that cash? Nope. They got who they could to fill needs, and unfortunately the players we could afford that were willing to come here aren't very good. Benjamin is a real bummer. He's terrible and unfortunately, Zay Jones looks like a potential bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 36 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Yes I totally agree. But did they really underestimate the OL? Or were there just not many good options out there? People are forgetting that Beane didn’t have the cap flexibility to sign players like Nate Solder or Andrew Norwell to huge deals. I guess you could say that they could have drafted some linemen. But remember the #1 priority in the draft was QB, the second was defense. There were a lot of needs on this and you can’t all address them at once - especially given the cap situation. Whether it was OL, LB, WR or whatever other position it’s impossible to fix everything in a year. This is why I am certain that Beane and McDermott were privately bracing for an off year given the roster they have. Nate Solder is a LT. They didn't need him because LT was the only OL position where the Bills actually had depth with Cordy Glenn healthy, Dion Dawkins looking good as a rookie, and Seantrel Henderson a solid backup. McDermott/Beane fixed that in short ordper. They let Henderson walk away in FA to the Texans for whom he became their starting LT. Then they traded away Cordy Glenn, incurring a $9.6 million cap hit. Glenn is Cinci's starting LT. If the Bills had kept Dareus so that they wouldn't have to sign Star, they would have something like $7 million extra to spend on FAs -- like maybe re-signing EJ Gaines rather than spending on Vontae Davis and Phillip Gaines. If they had kept Taylor, they wouldn't have had to sign AJ McCarron ... and face having Nate Peterman wasting a roster spot ... and saved $9.7 million in dead cap space for Taylor and McCarron. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: You're kidding, right? About what? You really think he paid back the $1M? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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