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4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

QB Index, Week 4: Ranking QBs from past two drafts

 

It didn't take long for the class of 2018 quarterbacks to take center stage. Following the promotions of Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen this week, the first four quarterbacks selected in April will start in Week 4. Combine that group with the quartet of quarterbacks drafted in 2017 that are also starting -- Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson and C.J. Beathard -- and a quarter of the league's starters are rookies or second-year players.
 
With my quarterly ranking of all 32 NFL quarterbacks still a week away, let's try a different set of ridiculously premature rankings. If I could pick any one of the starting quarterbacks from the last two draft classes to start a team with, whom would I take?
 
Of course this is incredibly subjective and based on microscopically small sample sizes, but that's partly what makes it fun.
 
6) Josh Allen, Bills
 
Drafted: Round 1, seventh overall, 2018.
 
I see a big gap between Darnold and Allen, although the Bills rookie's performance in Week 3 showed his potential. Allen is Buffalo's leading rusher after three weeks and his size (6-foot-5, 237 pounds) makes going for it on fourth-and-short an easy call. Not unlike Blake Bortles, Allen will probably be at his best trusting his arm and throwing against man coverage outside the numbers. It's debatable whether Allen has the teammates to win contested catches, with his leading wideout only gaining 29 yards even in the win against the Vikings.
 
The Bills will have to build an offense around Allen's physical skill set early in his career and hope that he learns from his mistakes, like the numerous occasions in Week 2 when he didn't avoid the pass rush and stared down receivers. It's easy to imagine Allen winning enough with his physical tools to make highlight reels and convince coaches of possible greatness, but the path to career longevity will be trickier.

 

So... My problem with this: 

 

Either his ranking is based on what these QB's have done in the games, in which case Allen certainly deserves to be above Rosen. 

Or his ranking is based on inate skills and projections, in which case it's hard to argue for Mahomes above Darnold (according to draft niks everywhere.)

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I know people do these things for fun, but rankings and power rankings and all that are just so silly...whoever wins...that's who's good. Whoever keeps winning...that's who's better. 

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1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

QB Index, Week 4: Ranking QBs from past two drafts

 

It didn't take long for the class of 2018 quarterbacks to take center stage. Following the promotions of Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen this week, the first four quarterbacks selected in April will start in Week 4. Combine that group with the quartet of quarterbacks drafted in 2017 that are also starting -- Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson and C.J. Beathard -- and a quarter of the league's starters are rookies or second-year players.
 
With my quarterly ranking of all 32 NFL quarterbacks still a week away, let's try a different set of ridiculously premature rankings. If I could pick any one of the starting quarterbacks from the last two draft classes to start a team with, whom would I take?
 
Of course this is incredibly subjective and based on microscopically small sample sizes, but that's partly what makes it fun.
 
6) Josh Allen, Bills
 
Drafted: Round 1, seventh overall, 2018.
 
I see a big gap between Darnold and Allen, although the Bills rookie's performance in Week 3 showed his potential. Allen is Buffalo's leading rusher after three weeks and his size (6-foot-5, 237 pounds) makes going for it on fourth-and-short an easy call. Not unlike Blake Bortles, Allen will probably be at his best trusting his arm and throwing against man coverage outside the numbers. It's debatable whether Allen has the teammates to win contested catches, with his leading wideout only gaining 29 yards even in the win against the Vikings.
 
The Bills will have to build an offense around Allen's physical skill set early in his career and hope that he learns from his mistakes, like the numerous occasions in Week 2 when he didn't avoid the pass rush and stared down receivers. It's easy to imagine Allen winning enough with his physical tools to make highlight reels and convince coaches of possible greatness, but the path to career longevity will be trickier.

 

Just ahead of Trubisky and CJ Beathard.

 

Pretty funny.

 

I think it's pretty clear the national pundits and experts are going to be really really stubborn about Allen.  He had the best showing on Sunday out of Darnold/Mayfield/Rosen and has showed progress in each game he's played.  The moment he has a bad game--which will happen-- he's going to be crucified.  When he plays really well, like he did last Sunday where his stats were only relatively "mediocre" (and is a 69% completion with 3 TDs and 0 turnovers really mediocre???) was because we got out to a huge lead in the 1st half and completely let our foot off the gas pedal in the 2nd half. 

 

(Wasn't there something about Allen's 1st half being the best half by a rookie in years by some measure?)

 

There will be a few national pundits who embrace Allen, but they're guys who have embraced him early, like Schrager and Adam Schein.  Everyone else will firmly hold onto the fact that Allen will fall apart, and when it looks momentarily like he has, he'll be pounced on.  And when he has a really good game, it'll probably be glossed over and they can easily do it because he just plays for Buffalo.

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If Foster makes those two catches, he's got an extra 80 or so yards passing and looks much more legitimate.   It's sad because he had 4 incredibly catchable balls dropped between Foster and Benji.    So I very much like what I see from him.   He's putting the ball where it needs to be with accuracy and anticipation.    I just want to see him improve every week. 

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On 9/27/2018 at 2:15 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

QB Index, Week 4: Ranking QBs from past two drafts

 

It didn't take long for the class of 2018 quarterbacks to take center stage. Following the promotions of Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen this week, the first four quarterbacks selected in April will start in Week 4. Combine that group with the quartet of quarterbacks drafted in 2017 that are also starting -- Mitchell Trubisky, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson and C.J. Beathard -- and a quarter of the league's starters are rookies or second-year players.
 
With my quarterly ranking of all 32 NFL quarterbacks still a week away, let's try a different set of ridiculously premature rankings. If I could pick any one of the starting quarterbacks from the last two draft classes to start a team with, whom would I take?
 
Of course this is incredibly subjective and based on microscopically small sample sizes, but that's partly what makes it fun.
 
6) Josh Allen, Bills
 
Drafted: Round 1, seventh overall, 2018.
 
I see a big gap between Darnold and Allen, although the Bills rookie's performance in Week 3 showed his potential. Allen is Buffalo's leading rusher after three weeks and his size (6-foot-5, 237 pounds) makes going for it on fourth-and-short an easy call. Not unlike Blake Bortles, Allen will probably be at his best trusting his arm and throwing against man coverage outside the numbers. It's debatable whether Allen has the teammates to win contested catches, with his leading wideout only gaining 29 yards even in the win against the Vikings.
 
The Bills will have to build an offense around Allen's physical skill set early in his career and hope that he learns from his mistakes, like the numerous occasions in Week 2 when he didn't avoid the pass rush and stared down receivers. It's easy to imagine Allen winning enough with his physical tools to make highlight reels and convince coaches of possible greatness, but the path to career longevity will be trickier.

 

 

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NFL Week 4 QB Power Rankings: Ryan Tannehill is ... good? Patrick Mahomes moves up top

 

Ranking every starting quarterback from 1-32 every week for the whole season, let's go

 
There were a lot of questions about these guys coming into the season and I'm not entirely sure they have answered a single one of those questions yet. 
 
ROOKIES
 
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Baker MayfieldCLEVELAND BROWNS QB
Looked incredible on Thursday in comeback duty. 10 days to prepare. People will expect big things.
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Josh AllenBUFFALO BILLS QB
Credit where credit is due: Allen used his athleticism to help generate big plays with his feet and came away with the most surprising win of the season and decade.
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Sam DarnoldNEW YORK JETS QB
If you were holding a ticket on Darnold to win OROY you are not feeling great. I'm here for you.
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Josh RosenARIZONA CARDINALS QB
First start coming too! He threw a bad pick but the bigger concern is the situation he had and the offensive line in front of him.
 
Pretty good crop of rookie quarterbacks we've got here. Could see all four of these guys being very good, even if they won't be good this week. 

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Really ridiculous that Rosen is ranked ahead of Allen and Darnold in that "rookie ranking"

 

...he was drafted after both guys and hasn't started a game yet and looked terrible when he played.

 

Clearly a case of a guy just writing articles on preconceived notions and not bothering to watch games.

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Bills fans will enjoy their lives a lot more in the coming years if they learn to not care so much about what national pundits say. 

Let Allen's play do the talking. If he is as good as we all think he can be, the pundits will shut their mouths. If he's not, they'll all cackle and claim victory and we'll be talking draft again by 2020. Until one of those two things happen, it's all just opinions, clickbait, and hyperbole.

Quit caring so much. Quit going off on Twitter on any analyst that dares voice a less-than-glowing opinion of Allen. Enough already.

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Best and worst QBs of Week 4: Trubisky jumps from worst to first

 

Any given Sunday ... every quarterback has a shot to sit atop the Total QBR leaderboard. While QBs are most often judged by wins and losses or touchdowns and interceptions, we like to rank them every week by the stat that measures their per-play contribution to their team's cause.
 
Bottom 3
 
 
 
Total QBR: 5.1
 
Allen wowed NFL scouts with his throwing strength during the pre-draft process.
 
The problem? A cannon for an arm matters only if the ball goes to the right team. When Allen chucked it deep -- 15-plus yards downfield -- against the Packers on Sunday, he ended up completing more passes to defenders than he did to his own teammates. Those interceptions were two of Allen's three most costly plays of the day, with a fumble on a short run sandwiched between.
 
Allen now has the lowest Total QBR (23.7) among all qualified starters this season. -- Walder
 
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With one quarter of the season complete, Gregg Rosenthal reveals his ranking of the 32 quarterbacks who have played the bulk of the snaps for their respective teams.
 
The top two quarterbacks in the QB Index after four games are each 23 years old. Combine the ages of Patrick Mahomes and Jared Goff and it's not that much higher than the age of Tom Brady, the fella who finished in the top spot a year ago.
 
It's way too early to make sweeping judgments about a changing of the guard at the position. Even though Brady is off to a slow start, familiar names like Drew BreesPhilip Rivers and Aaron Rodgersremain at the top of their game. The overall picture of the position is more complicated than any over-arching narrative, with many of this year's most surprising performances coming from established veterans like Andy DaltonJoe Flacco and Ryan Fitzpatrick.
 
The quarterback position as a whole is incredibly healthy, with record passing numbers buoyed by aggressive offensive concepts infiltrating the entire league. For new readers, the rankings below reflect each quarterback's 2018 play alone. All that matters is what's happened so far this year. That's why Brady is low and very likely to climb when I do the complete rankings again in four weeks. The QBs ranked below have played the bulk of the snaps for their respective teams.
 
NOTE: Arrows reflect changes from the preseason QB rankings.
 
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NFL Week 5 QB Power Rankings: Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes top MVP list at quarter point

 

 
After ruining the start to Ryan Tannehill's season with a patented QB ranking jinx, who should we target next? Just kidding -- jinxing anyone feels terrible, and I'm not willing to disparage Patrick Mahomes. Or Jared Goff. Both of those guys, in fact, lead my list of MVP candidates one quarter of the way through the season.
 
So in the spirit of looking at who might be the MVP at this arbitrary marker for 2018, let's rank every single quarterback based on where they would slot into the MVP race, assuming only quarterbacks are eligible (which is not that far off from reality). This can work as a breakdown of where everyone stands going into Week 5, but it's mostly a checkpoint for four games into the year on who has been the most valuable. 
 
Yell at me on Twitter @WillBrinson with your complaints, questions and (unlikely) compliments and make sure to check out my daily NFL podcast, the Pick Six Podcast, which you can subscribe to on iTunes here.
 
To the rankings:
 
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On 9/27/2018 at 2:57 PM, Domdab99 said:

I know people do these things for fun, but rankings and power rankings and all that are just so silly...whoever wins...that's who's good. Whoever keeps winning...that's who's better. 

 

 

sometimes greats are playing on bad teams

 

 

but we don't need stats or rankings to tell us if we watch football

 

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QB Index, Week 6: Four opinions I will fight you over

 

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It's easy to have an opinion about quarterbacks. But there are too many opinions in this media environment without real conviction behind them. I believe in the four statements below so much that I will fight you if you disagree with any of them.
 
Patrick Mahomes will have staying power
Anthony Lynn has seen the light: Philip Rivers must be maximized
Jameis Winston will take advantage of this opportunity
Blake Bortles is better
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QB Index, Week 7: Finally, It's Philip Rivers' Year

 

By Gregg Rosenthal - Around The NFL Editor

 

This is the Philip Rivers season I've been waiting for, his no-hitter entering the fifth inning that I'm afraid to jinx by writing about.
 
All of Rivers' usual attributes are ever-present. He is throwing his receivers open with the anticipation of someone who already knows how the play is going to end. He's the master of the mid-range game, throwing line drives through zone defenses and teardrops over man coverage down the sideline. He delivers passes just before he's hit, just like he connects on postgame observations that could be stitched, framed and put in your bathroom.
 
NOTE: This is the Quarterback Index. The QBs are ranked based on 2018 play alone. So what's happened in previous seasons -- and what will happen moving forward -- doesn't matter in this exercise. The next ranking of all 32 starters comes in two weeks.

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QB Confidence Index: Ranking NFL depth charts 1-32

 

Dan Graziano ESPN Staff Writer
 
A couple of weeks back, I was in Houston to cover the Sunday night game between the Texans and the Cowboys, and I was talking to one of the Texans' coaches on the field before the game. I asked him how he felt about this game, and we had a wide-ranging talk about all of their injuries and what a rough start it had been to the season for them and how well the Cowboys' defense had been playing, etc.
 
Then he said, "But with our quarterback, I feel like we always have a chance."
 
And that's it, right there. That sentiment is the very basis for the Quarterback Confidence Index. If you feel good about your quarterback, you feel like you have a chance. If you don't, you probably don't. Any "yeah, but" you can throw at that logic is pure rationalization. Is it possible to win without a franchise quarterback? Sure. But I don't know a team that would want to try.
 
With that in mind, we present the latest installment of an occasional feature we like to call the Quarterback Confidence Index. Please remember, this is not a ranking of starting quarterbacks. Rather, it is a ranking of teams in order of which we believe have the most confidence in their quarterback situation as a whole. That means starter, backup situation, age, health history, plans for the future, etc. If you click ahead to your team and don't like what's written about it there, try to carve out some time to read the rest of the piece, for context. Otherwise, I'll see you on Twitter and try not to take it personally.
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With first-round rookie Josh Allen sidelined because of injury, the current starter in Buffalo is Derek Anderson, who has a career completion percentage of 54.3 to go with 60 touchdown passes and 63 interceptions in 77 career games (48 starts). His backup, while Allen is hurt, is Nathan Peterman, who has 35 completions and nine interceptions in 79 career pass attempts.
 
Short-term confidence: LOW. With a patchwork offensive line and an even patchworkier receiving corps, there's not much anyone can do here. They're marking time until Allen is back and can continue his development.
 
Long-term confidence: MEDIUM. The Bills liked Allen enough to take him No. 7 overall, and they believe he's their future. He just hasn't shown enough yet to warrant the optimism of a Darnold or a Mayfield.

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QB INDEX
 
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Around this time last season, Jimmy Garoppolo was traded to the 49ers and it shocked the NFL world. Who could be that surprise QB trade this season? Gregg Rosethal lists five candidates.
 
Quarterback trades have become a thing over the last few years. From Sam Bradford to Alex Smith to Jacoby Brissett and AJ McCarron, the trade tsunami taking over the league has extended to its most important position.
 
No quarterback trade came as a bigger surprise than the San Francisco 49ers' deadline deal for Jimmy Garoppolo last season. It was a seismic move that none of the insiders saw coming. Before getting to the Week 8 QB rankings below, let's take a quick look at some long-shot candidates to get moved before the league's Oct. 30 deadline (next Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET), with an eye on what could happen to them this offseason.

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