Mr. WEO Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Henderson and Kujo... Oh, wait, is this the right thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, Mango said: Glenn is totally fine per reports in Cincinatti. 2016 was a high ankle sprain he came back too soon from, that lingered all season. I forget the issue in 2017, but he just had surgery. I am also assuming we could have still gotten Allen without the Glenn trade at a different cost. Didn't see the Gaines injury. Good point. We were 8-3 in the regular season in games he started though. Something to account for. I personally love Gaines and am sad he cannot stay healthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Mango said: We keep (justly) complaining that the FO totally underestimated how bad this OL would be this year. What are the moves we should have made in FA and the draft to solidify the unit? (outside of Wood and Richie) My thoughts: - Keep Glenn and kick Dawkins to RT - Tyrell Crosby in the 4th instead of Taron Johnson. Can play G and T. - Re-signed Gaines - Retained either Coleman or Johnson for slot CB. Our Secondary is better than current, and OL is upgraded. Starting OL would look something like: LT: Glenn LG: Crosby/Teller/Ducasse/Miller C : Groy (I have faith yesterday wasn't his true form) RG: Miller/Ducasse/Teller/Crosby RT: Dawkins (His projected position) Its even easier than all of that. They should have FIRED Juan Castillo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I personally love Gaines and am sad he cannot stay healthy Yup. Had he done so, he'd still be a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Its even easier than all of that. They should have FIRED Juan Castillo I was just going to say the same thing. You are spot on. That should have been first. They could have, and in hindsight, should have taken another OL in the mid rounds instead of Johnson or Neal. Maybe Tyrell Crosby would have helped fill one of the spots? They should have signed Chris Hubbard or Austin Howard and kept Seantrel. Your OL would have been something like: Dawkins - Teller/Ducasse/Miller/Mills - Groy - Crosby - Hubbard/Howard bench: Seantrel as the swing OT, Bodine as the C and whoever wins out between Ducasse, Mills and Miller as a swing guy on the interior Edited August 27, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I was just going to say the same thing. You are spot on. That should have been first. They could have, and in hindsight, should have taken another OL in the mid rounds instead of Johnson or Neal. Maybe Tyrell Crosby would have helped fill one of the spots? They should have signed Chris Hubbard or Austin Howard and kept Seantrel. Your OL would have been something like: Dawkins - Teller/Ducasse/Miller/Mills - Groy - Crosby - Hubbard/Howard bench: Seantrel as the swing OT, Bodine as the C and whoever wins out between Ducasse, Mills and Miller as a swing guy on the interior ...plenty 'round here saying it's not Castillo's fault because he has nothing to work with.....don't the "good ones" develop and coach up the talent they have to work with?......or are we just blessed with "a boatload of abject, uncoachable failures"?....don't the "good ones" design a scheme that fits their PERSONNEL?....so if "zone blocking" is the alleged culprit, why force round pegs into square holes and why do McD/Daboll carry it over into 2018?..........I'm missing something big time here (as usual I guess)..... Edited August 27, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Tisker A Tasker said: They should have been force-feeding Richie his meds! No joke even if it does violate HIPPA. They actually dodged a bullet not taking him back given off the deep end he’s gone. I almost feel bad for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 31 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...plenty 'round here saying it's not Castillo's fault because he has nothing to work with.....don't the "good ones" develop and coach up the talent they have to work with?......or are we just blessed with "a boatload of abject, uncoachable failures"?....don't the "good ones" design a scheme that fits their PERSONNEL?....so if "zone blocking" is the alleged culprit, why force round pegs into square holes and why do McD/Daboll carry it over into 2018?..........I'm missing something big time here (as usual I guess)..... All I know is he had a bad reputation before he got here and his unit got worse. They were a little unlucky the way it shook out this offseason losing so many guys but still. I agree with you that something has to give and that’s the most natural starting point IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I wouldn’t have banked on Miller to be starting at RG. That was a mistake IMO. I’d still like to try Vlad back at RG and Teller at LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 They should have got a time machine and gone to the future where they would have know Wood and Incognito would be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Forward Progress said: Without trading Glenn, we don't have the equity to trade up for Josh Allen. Trading Glenn was the right choice and I believe it was worth giving up Glenn to acquire Allen. Plus Glenn was injured again yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: All I know is he had a bad reputation before he got here and his unit got worse. They were a little unlucky the way it shook out this offseason losing so many guys but still. I agree with you that something has to give and that’s the most natural starting point IMO. .......there were posts citing his "long term success" in Philly, but if I remember correctly, he didn't do much with the Ravens....Eagles tenure was 1995 to 2012....Ravens OL Coach from 2014-2016.....he's been in the coaching ranks (college & NFL ) for 36 years...are we caught again in the "Dennison mindset" as in vast experience MUST make him a good one?....thoughts bud?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...plenty 'round here saying it's not Castillo's fault because he has nothing to work with.....don't the "good ones" develop and coach up the talent they have to work with?......or are we just blessed with "a boatload of abject, uncoachable failures"?....don't the "good ones" design a scheme that fits their PERSONNEL?....so if "zone blocking" is the alleged culprit, why force round pegs into square holes and why do McD/Daboll carry it over into 2018?..........I'm missing something big time here (as usual I guess)..... I had thought this FO had a plan to upgrade the line and clearly, they did not. Someone (I'm thinking Castillio) must have told the HC, GM that he could make do with these particular players and yet he couldn't get it done with Incognito, Woods last year. Last year the run game took a big hit in yards, TDs for most of the season until McCoy started doing his Barry Sanders impression and the yards picked up somewhat but the rushing TDs, YPC went south. 2016 #1 in rushing yards, #1 in rushing TDs, #1 in yards per average carry. #2 in attempts vs 2017 #4 in rushing attempts, #6 in rushing yards, #15 in rushing TDs, #14 in yards per average carry. Huge dropoff in rushing TDs, yards per carry average with the same RB, basically the same line. Dawkins in for Glenn and there wasn't that big a dropoff at LT. While the OC got the blame for the QB dropoff as should the run game coordinator/line coach in Juan Castillio. Without Woods in the middle and Incognito to help with the QBs blind side this year looks like a lost cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Forward Progress said: Without trading Glenn, we don't have the equity to trade up for Josh Allen. Trading Glenn was the right choice and I believe it was worth giving up Glenn to acquire Allen. Or they could have not given up TWO 2nd round picks to get Allen. Could have given up 1 to get to 10, draft Josh Rosen. Then take Brian O’Neill out of Pitt at 56 for example. Rounds 1-3 of Rosen, Edmunds, O’Neill and Harrison sounds better to me then Allen, Edmunds and Harrison especially after trading Glenn. IMHO. Edited August 27, 2018 by Billsflyer12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Mango said: Eric Wood came very shortly after the playoffs, so it wasn't like it smacked us totally in the face, there was plenty of time to redirect the offseason in regards to the C position. Richie was about 3 weeks before the draft, so I will give it "some" credence, but it isn't like we went all the way through the off season and suddenly lost or LG. Up until yesterday we seemed to think we were fine if Groy was in there. Bodine was a joke, but hopefully they knew that was just a plug that could burst at any moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Without the Glenn trade Mason Rudolph or Lamar Jackson is your "QB of the future." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 I hope Edmunds comes around, but I wonder if those picks should have been used for OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, PIZ said: I hope Edmunds comes around, but I wonder if those picks should have been used for OL. You're gonna have to give him 2 seasons to reach his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 54 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: All I know is he had a bad reputation before he got here and his unit got worse. They were a little unlucky the way it shook out this offseason losing so many guys but still. I agree with you that something has to give and that’s the most natural starting point IMO. Is it possible McBeanes want Daboll to pick a guy ? Imagine young Head Coaches are not able to acquire their Coaching dream team right away ? McDermott did not draft a QB when he likely should have. Once he got Beane on board with his scouts they obviously focused on QB drafting. and perhaps Brian had some say ?? I bet they wanted Daboll before he came free. Now they have him, and if he is the future state ? He should evaluate and then court the next O line Coach. and set up scouting players Next year. Trust the Process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, PIZ said: I hope Edmunds comes around, but I wonder if those picks should have been used for OL. I was in the Billy Price camp. Both Edmunds and Price potentially could have stellar careers. This may have meant more Preston Brown as well. I do think and hope the OL will be addressed next year. Hopefully not in a Dockerty and Walker type of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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