26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, NewDayBills said: Truth. I love love love what Peterman has done but you're absolutely right though but the guy absolutely has maximized his talent quite admirably. Peterman is Chad Pennington Jr., can absolutely be effective in the right offense and I am tickled by his progress, glad he is on the roster, what a great guy to have in the film room teaching Josh Allen, too bad he doesn't have a bigger arm. He's got the smarts to be a starter, but lacks the arm and poise under fire until he proves that he does in real games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, fridge said: If I ignore you then how will I know what third rate journalists are tweeting on tuesday afternoons? You won't understand anything they say any way so it matters not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: You won't understand anything they say any way so it matters not. ...good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 fridge's feelings are hurt over Peterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 What impressed me with Peterman is he was able to keep drives alives even with penalties. Usuy those penalties are drive killers but he still manages to get first downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, fridge said: If I ignore you then how will I know what third rate journalists are tweeting on tuesday afternoons? Google? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Peterman should start, would kill Allen with this line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: Peterman should start, would kill Allen with this line. Ths 1st team OL is going to be overwhelmed against any good defensive front regardless of the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Ths 1st team OL is going to be overwhelmed against any good defensive front regardless of the QB. exactly, let Peterman and McCarron get beat up instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Ths 1st team OL is going to be overwhelmed against any good defensive front regardless of the QB. It doesn't help when the QB pats the ball as his protection is breaking down. Peterman played behind this line in week 1 of the preseason and he looked fine. It helps if the ball comes out on time. Edited August 27, 2018 by jrober38 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Extremely premature to say something like this. Chad was a GOOD starter for a couple years before his shoulder injuries caught up with him and his arm became a shell of what it was(which was never really strong to begin with) Chad never turned the ball over 6 times in one game. Let alone one half. Yep. Very few ever have. But hey, we should all want more Peterman. 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: It doesn't help when the QB pats the ball as his protection is breaking down. Peterman played behind this line in week 1 of the preseason and he looked fine. It helps if the ball comes out on time. Protection in that game looked pretty good all around. Vs CLE and CIN , that wasn’t the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Yep. Very few ever have. But hey, we should all want more Peterman. Protection in that game looked pretty good all around. Vs CLE and CIN , that wasn’t the case. The guy playing QB can influence how the protection looks. If you pat the ball in the face of pressure after you finish your drop, you're going to get sacked. If you throw the ball at the end of your drop, you're not going to get sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Protection in that game looked pretty good all around. Vs CLE and CIN , that wasn’t the case. Protection will always look good when the QB is firing the ball directly off the snap. Why do you think it has been nearly impossible to get to Brady for so many years and why he's the least sacked QB in the league for just about ever now? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: I don't get it here either. It's like you must choose sides or something. I just want both to tear it up! Exactly. Some of us just want the best possible outcome, and not see coaches double down on stupidity instead of making the right call just to protect their egos. Peterman has shown he's capable of handling himself in this offense, and even more importantly, SURVIVING behind our pathetic O-line. People seem to forget some key aspects of Allen before the draft even happen: He was the most raw and undeveloped QB of the "Big 4" (Mayfield, Rosen, Allen, Darnold) while also having his draft stock skyrocket based solely on POTENTIAL and LONGTERM development (hence the term "project" QB). His pros were his size, arm and athleticism....RARELY are those signs of a day-1 NFL starter. And when it comes to past performances, Allen had proven the absolute least. Through HS & College he's been the same person. He didn't throw a ton of TD's, he wasn't very accurate, he didn't "will" his team to victory time after time, he didn't rise up in big games, he didn't do well against good competition, he regressed his senior year statistically, he wasn't known for his ability to read a defense.... The guy has the tools, but he doesn't have the development to go with them. He CAN be molded into a great player, but why are we pretending he is someone different than who we drafted? How is he suddenly supposed to play better than he has in his entire life by playing against much stronger, faster, and more experienced competition? Because he's playing WITH our #1's? That would make sense if he was on some loaded roster, but he's not... It's like he's playing with the NFL's version of Wyoming-level talent while playing against the NFL's version of SEC defenses. Our O-line is going to get him crushed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, BigDingus said: Exactly. Some of us just want the best possible outcome, and not see coaches double down on stupidity instead of making the right call just to protect their egos. Peterman has shown he's capable of handling himself in this offense, and even more importantly, SURVIVING behind our pathetic O-line. People seem to forget some key aspects of Allen before the draft even happen: He was the most raw and undeveloped QB of the "Big 4" (Mayfield, Rosen, Allen, Darnold) while also having his draft stock skyrocket based solely on POTENTIAL and LONGTERM development (hence the term "project" QB). His pros were his size, arm and athleticism....RARELY are those signs of a day-1 NFL starter. And when it comes to past performances, Allen had proven the absolute least. Through HS & College he's been the same person. He didn't throw a ton of TD's, he wasn't very accurate, he didn't "will" his team to victory time after time, he didn't rise up in big games, he didn't do well against good competition, he regressed his senior year statistically, he wasn't known for his ability to read a defense.... The guy has the tools, but he doesn't have the development to go with them. He CAN be molded into a great player, but why are we pretending he is someone different than who we drafted? How is he suddenly supposed to play better than he has in his entire life by playing against much stronger, faster, and more experienced competition? Because he's playing WITH our #1's? That would make sense if he was on some loaded roster, but he's not... It's like he's playing with the NFL's version of Wyoming-level talent while playing against the NFL's version of SEC defenses. Our O-line is going to get him crushed. None of us are making the call. The coaches will try to win football games, not protect egos. They know what they thing of Allen and what they think his timetable should be. That will decide who starts at QB, not anything that fans talk about. Theyll decide to start out with a placeholder QB unless they think Allen is ready. We don’t know. Peterman may develop into a solid career backup for this team for a long time. It’ll all play out. I get if fans don’t have the patience to watch a Peterman led team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Exactly. Some of us just want the best possible outcome, and not see coaches double down on stupidity instead of making the right call just to protect their egos. Peterman has shown he's capable of handling himself in this offense, and even more importantly, SURVIVING behind our pathetic O-line. People seem to forget some key aspects of Allen before the draft even happen: He was the most raw and undeveloped QB of the "Big 4" (Mayfield, Rosen, Allen, Darnold) while also having his draft stock skyrocket based solely on POTENTIAL and LONGTERM development (hence the term "project" QB). His pros were his size, arm and athleticism....RARELY are those signs of a day-1 NFL starter. And when it comes to past performances, Allen had proven the absolute least. Through HS & College he's been the same person. He didn't throw a ton of TD's, he wasn't very accurate, he didn't "will" his team to victory time after time, he didn't rise up in big games, he didn't do well against good competition, he regressed his senior year statistically, he wasn't known for his ability to read a defense.... The guy has the tools, but he doesn't have the development to go with them. He CAN be molded into a great player, but why are we pretending he is someone different than who we drafted? How is he suddenly supposed to play better than he has in his entire life by playing against much stronger, faster, and more experienced competition? Because he's playing WITH our #1's? That would make sense if he was on some loaded roster, but he's not... It's like he's playing with the NFL's version of Wyoming-level talent while playing against the NFL's version of SEC defenses. Our O-line is going to get him crushed. Outstanding post. People got fired up over watching him throw the ball 65 yards in the air without really trying and got carried away. Allen is a project QB who is going to take 2-3 years to develop. He needs to learn how to play QB, and how to manage an offense. Part of that management is knowing how to deal with pressure, and how to avoid sacks that kill drives. As you said, he didn't show he was capable of that at Wyoming, so why would he be capable of it now against better competition 8 months later? Allen needs time. He's a project with enormous upside. We saw glimpses of the arm and what he can do, but he needs to learn to be more consistent and how to manage a game better and all that will take time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Outstanding post. People got fired up over watching him throw the ball 65 yards in the air without really trying and got carried away. Allen is a project QB who is going to take 2-3 years to develop. He needs to learn how to play QB, and how to manage an offense. Part of that management is knowing how to deal with pressure, and how to avoid sacks that kill drives. As you said, he didn't show he was capable of that at Wyoming, so why would he be capable of it now against better competition 8 months later? Allen needs time. He's a project with enormous upside. We saw glimpses of the arm and what he can do, but he needs to learn to be more consistent and how to manage a game better and all that will take time. And he will do this how from the bench? It’s not as if the Bills have Sam Bradford or some other seasoned vet to be a placeholder starter for awhile. NP has a couple games of NFL experience , including one where he threw a whopping 5 picks and got sacked multiple times. About the only argument one could make for starting NP is to keep the investment in one piece while the OL gets straightened out. Not many other reasons to start an inexperienced Peterman over Allen. It’s only a matter of time either way. The coaches will decide what they think is the best plan of action and we will watch the outcome unfold. All the arguments in the world won’t change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Peterman has put up points whether with the 1st team, 2nd team or 3rd team. You cannot deny that he is our best chance to win based on this pre season. If you want Allen to start, fine, but be pre pared for alot of what we saw tonight. And I do believe there is something to letting a guy sit for some time. You play games like Allen did tonight and you start developing bad habits that could potentially turn you into a bust (ie jp losman, trent Edwards, Ej manuel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, NewDayBills said: His arm will stop him from being a starting NFL QB long term but I think he is going to be in the NFL for a long long time. Several similar posts as this. Your eyes don't deceive you, Peterman definitely looks like a high caliber NFL starter. Yeah, may not hold up, but certainly looks consistent. And look at his college stats, especially how much better he was in his 2nd season as starter. If Peterman looks like this when he starts the season, which seems inevitable now, and continues on this path, Allen may not play this year, or next.. Go Peterman. If he is as good as he looks this is a playoff team this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 He has played well this preseason. There is no arguing that. Can he keep that success going into the regular season? I guess the coaching staff will have to decide that. But given the game film thus far in the preseason, it would appear that he has the best chance of succeeding this season (behind this o-line and in this offense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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