Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Funny how many people were on here staunchly saying Mack won't get traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: There goes that dream. What dream? Did he get his Raiders deal worked out? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Kiss of death from LaConjecture 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, ThunderGun said: Hughes or Lawson and a first? Then if Murphy ever gets healthy, this defense will just be a Biscuit away. I've said Hughes and a 1st. Hughes nets you $6.35 million in cap savings. Lawson nets you $1.38. My question to all would be IF the trade goes down AND Hughes is still on the team, where does Hughes go? Both play the right DE position. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I've said Hughes and a 1st. Hughes nets you $6.35 million in cap savings. Lawson nets you $1.38. My question to all would be IF the trade goes down AND Hughes is still on the team, where does Hughes go? Both play the right DE position. Could they play Mack at the SAM and then bring him down to rush the passer on 3rd down? I mean he's more athletic than LoRax. I don't see this trade happening though. Hope I'm wrong,. Edited August 24, 2018 by SWATeam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 ..interesting....Jason is usually spot on............... 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Mack must really hate Gruden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I don't think Hughes and a first does it. Say they did have interest in Hughes which I think Gruden might, I think you still need to add at least a 3rd in the next two drafts along with Hughes and next years first. It seems like a 3rd of a league is interested, so that could drive up his value. All of that said, I am one of those who has full confidence in Beane and think we would have as good a chance as any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 This will just be one of those 2 or 3 day things that results in another team making it happen. I am very happy with the guys in charge of this team for a change but I can’t see us pulling anything like this off. Another team will pull the trigger and we will be sifting through a pile of excuses and what have you’s. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I've said Hughes and a 1st. Hughes nets you $6.35 million in cap savings. Lawson nets you $1.38. My question to all would be IF the trade goes down AND Hughes is still on the team, where does Hughes go? Both play the right DE position. Mack can play anywhere. And you can rotate Murphy in and put Mack at OLB for stretches too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, jr1 said: Mack must really hate Gruden Gruden walks in through the door making $100m while Mack busts his butt for the last few years, doesn’t miss a single game, defensive player of the year, all-pro..and for your hard work Mack? Keep playing on your rookie contract while we pay this chucky doll looking nut $100,000,000.00 Edited August 24, 2018 by bobobonators 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) Why would they even want one of the guys we are talking about? Just give them a 1st and a 2nd. The Raiders don’t want a rotational lineman for an elite defender. Gruden will want 2 of his own hand picked players. Edited August 24, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) Here is the deal. If Allen ends up being a great QB, with Kalil Mack, a couple of free agent lineman (which we easily will have the money for) and another weapon or two on offense, I think we are legit Super Bowl contenders in 2019. Kalil Mack is the closest thing the NFL has seen to Lawrence Taylor since he retired and I really wouldn't care if we gave up our next two firsts. Edited August 24, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This will just be one of those 2 or 3 day things that results in another team making it happen. I am very happy with the guys in charge of this team for a change but I can’t see us pulling anything like this off. Another team will pull the trigger and we will be sifting through a pile of excuses and what have you’s. YE OLE can also see this deal happening and McDermott stepping to podium very matter of fact like and telling the media “Brandon and his team do a great job. They’re always looking for good players that can come in and improve our team. Just like bringing in John Ryan the other day... he’s a good player. Khalil’s also a good player. We’re excited to have both these guys here to compete...” 2 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I've said Hughes and a 1st. Hughes nets you $6.35 million in cap savings. Lawson nets you $1.38. My question to all would be IF the trade goes down AND Hughes is still on the team, where does Hughes go? Both play the right DE position. It would take more than that for sure. I think the Raiders wouldn't value Hughes as anything more than a throw in. The Raiders I imagine would probably come in asking for a 1st and 3rd in 2019 and a 2nd in 2020. If Mack wasn't demanding such a huge contract I might bite but that's a lot of money and draft capital to give up for one player. Even if you got the deal down to a 1st and 4th in 2019 plus a 2nd in 2020 that's still significant draft capital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonz Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 I'd love to have him, but RARELY that I can think of does this type of trade or even FA signing pay off. Just because KM dominates with the Raiders, does not mean he would be the same player here. Different D, different players, different everything.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 20 minutes ago, jr1 said: Mack must really hate Gruden He might just be a savant at judging character? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Talonz said: I'd love to have him, but RARELY that I can think of does this type of trade or even FA signing pay off. Just because KM dominates with the Raiders, does not mean he would be the same player here. Different D, different players, different everything.... Yep. I’m seeing shades of MARIO Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 He's going to want around $20 Million a year. I suppose it's doable considerable that we don't have an expensive QB contract on the books. But I find it very difficult to believe that any team with a QB that is paid like a franchise QB could fit both Mack and he on the team. You are talking about nearly 30% of the cap on two players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 41 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He’s perhaps the best defensive player in the game. First team all-pro at both DE and OLB. I’d gladly give up next year’s first for him. Gladly. While all true, Giving up next years first is very risky considering it could be top 10. And on top of it, the bills will have to make Mack the highest paid defensive player ever. If the Bills were close to a Super Bowl contender I would agree With the trade, but I just think they are too far away to be giving away first round picks. (It will also cost more than just a first) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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