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Run D is hard to evaluate in preseason. Run defense is as much mental as physical. What I saw was poor run fits by LBs and DBs. That stuff will get cleaned up.

Star takes the double but this is obviously a mental breakdown by LBs. My guess is Milano filled the wrong hole.

 

 

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Again, watch Milano. Edmunds also lost, he improves as the game goes on though.

 

 

White didn't want to tackle.

 

 

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Yeah, neither line looked too well last night. The run D looked eerily familiar to last season. I will give it a pass now, but something to keep a close eye on.

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lol, how ridiculous. 

 

Bruce Smith always made a huge impact in Pre-season game 2

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11 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Yeah, neither line looked too well last night. The run D looked eerily familiar to last season. I will give it a pass now, but something to keep a close eye on.

It's the linebackers .

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22 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

It's the linebackers .

I was gonna say this...LBs did nothing good last night

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28 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

lol, how ridiculous. 

 

Bruce Smith always made a huge impact in Pre-season game 2

 

Yeah. Star is a Bruce Smith caliber player so no worries. ;)

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They were to worried about tuhrod passing to stop the run

 

7 hours ago, Yeezus said:

 

or he is most likely going to be a flop

 

he is a classic lazy DT with no skill.

Classic yeezus take

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Star and Trent Murphy were the tw big free agent defensive ‘splashed’. I know it’s only preseason but so far it’s been a belly flop.

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1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Star and Trent Murphy were the tw big free agent defensive ‘splashed’. I know it’s only preseason but so far it’s been a belly flop.

Edmonds and Milano mental mistakes are the problem so far IMO. 2 young LBs. But Edmunds picked it up. He needs experience.

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6 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

Star and Murphy were two very expensive and so far useless signings. 

I always like judging free agent pickups on their preseason play too

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7 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I saw that too, however Edmunds made a couple of good tackles tonight. He definitely played better. I'm not worried about him.

 

I want to be, Mark. But on the opening TD drive vs starters, he was completely lost, running the wrong way of the play, stumbling & fumbling from moving forward 1st at the snap, rather than read, and miss tackles. He improved a bit as the half went on and Cleveland played 0-16 worthy scrubs. He FINALLY recorded a tackle.

I’m concerned he hasn’t earned his ‘Starter Since Draft Night’ position on the team.

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7 hours ago, Logic said:

Lotulelei? Really?

How about Tremaine Edmunds just running into the defensive linemens' back every play?!

 

And by “every play” you include those he made the tackle. 

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Looking at Star, to me he's doing his job.  He's taking on two blockers and holding the point.  The problem is the linebackers are not filling lanes.  They are LOST.  Notice most of the big runs are where Edmunds or Milano should be and not where LORAX should be.  I'm thinking they are going to have to have Edmunds and Milano on the move to shore up the run issues or misdirection and cutbacks are going to kill this team.

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Just now, NewEraBills said:

Looking at Star, to me he's doing his job.  He's taking on two blockers and holding the point.  The problem is the linebackers are not filling lanes.  They are LOST.  Notice most of the big runs are where Edmunds or Milano should be and not where LORAX should be.  I'm thinking they are going to have to have Edmunds and Milano on the move to shore up the run issues or misdirection and cutbacks are going to kill this team.

 

Bothe Star (via double team blocking) and Kyle were being handled on the Browns' 1st drive that led to a TD. 

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7 hours ago, B Fan in LA said:

 

Yeah, I'm afraid we saw the real 2018 Bills tonight.

We're definitely rebuilding the Oline and the DLine., and LB's............. again.

We're thin.......at several key positions............

 

 

This is a possibility BUT...

 

I also wondered if the "starters" weren't sort of "phoning" it in - playing not to get hurt.

 

 

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1 minute ago, NewEraBills said:

Looking at Star, to me he's doing his job.  He's taking on two blockers and holding the point.  The problem is the linebackers are not filling lanes.  They are LOST.  Notice most of the big runs are where Edmunds or Milano should be and not where LORAX should be.  I'm thinking they are going to have to have Edmunds and Milano on the move to shore up the run issues or misdirection and cutbacks are going to kill this team.

If Milano loses his job this week we know who blew those assignments. The Bills really need a Weakside backer badly.

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7 hours ago, Logic said:

Lotulelei? Really?

How about Tremaine Edmunds just running into the defensive linemens' back every play?!

 

Edmunds is a rookie who turned 20 after the draft and was known to be very raw coming in, so while I'm not happy with his play so far, I'm also not as concerned as I am with Star, a guy with a few years under his belt, who's had one good season, and since has regressed ever season thereafter, which is not a good sign, since he was one of the absolute worst D lineman in the NFL last year when looking at advanced metrics.

I'm much more worried about the $50+ million we gave Star with the hopes that his one good season was the truth and not a fluke.

(I do agree with your that I had hoped Edmunds would be further along as of now though)

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2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

I want to be, Mark. But on the opening TD drive vs starters, he was completely lost, running the wrong way of the play, stumbling & fumbling from moving forward 1st at the snap, rather than read, and miss tackles. He improved a bit as the half went on and Cleveland played 0-16 worthy scrubs. He FINALLY recorded a tackle.

I’m concerned he hasn’t earned his ‘Starter Since Draft Night’ position on the team.

 

Who can we get, like today???

 

I havent seen much out of Star in 2 games, Kyle looks and plays a lot slower, Star was getting pushed around(not doubled either) Jerry abd Lawson were both invisible.

 

Our o line is gonna get a few guys killed. Our Gm and coach gotta see this, but they go after over rated injury prone guys as solutions.

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2 hours ago, NewEraBills said:

Looking at Star, to me he's doing his job.  He's taking on two blockers and holding the point.  The problem is the linebackers are not filling lanes.  They are LOST.  Notice most of the big runs are where Edmunds or Milano should be and not where LORAX should be.  I'm thinking they are going to have to have Edmunds and Milano on the move to shore up the run issues or misdirection and cutbacks are going to kill this team.

I concur. Edmunds just need to be more instinctive than reactive.

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10 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

It may be different in the regular season, but thus far I see no impact in a positive sense. 

Stealing money basically and living off of one good season under McD in Carolina. 

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3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Run D is hard to evaluate in preseason. Run defense is as much mental as physical. What I saw was poor run fits by LBs and DBs. That stuff will get cleaned up.

Star takes the double but this is obviously a mental breakdown by LBs. My guess is Milano filled the wrong hole.

 

 

 

 

Actually, I may have jumped the gun on Edmunds.  Pause this at 15 seconds.  There are a few ways we can read this in terms of run fit.  I'm not sure how it was/is coached but to me, everyone does exactly what they are supposed to do except Miliano.  If you stop it at 15 seconds, Star places his body in the Left A gap to clog the lane.  Kyle plays the outside shade on the right side, 3 tech and he stands his ground there.  Miliano should have filled the A gap on the right side. Edmunds played the C to the backside contain.  That's the way I read this initially.

 

Another way to read it:  Star and Kyle got completely turned and it opened up the run lane.

 

Which one is it?  We'll see this week.  If Miliano starts fading out then we know what it was.

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I think the run game issues last night were more of an LB problem than a DL problem. Edmunds and Milano were missing gaps the whole 1st quarter. I do have faith that we will put it together though.

 

We may miss PB short term against the run. The guy could not cover to save his life but was was a damn good run defender. 

 

 

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