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With training camp a few days from closing which QB is the front runner to be the starter week 1?  After every report, every rep where is it trending?  As conservative as McDermott seems, he wants to win.  Daboll wants to win.  Allen can make 3 to 4 plays a game that changes momentum and the outcome.  Safe money, McCarron but Allen is a live dog, who imo separates the next few weeks.

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If Allen doesn't start Friday,  then I don't think he starts the season.   If AJ starts Friday, I think it's between him and Peterman.  If Peterman starts Friday, it's his job to lose.  

 

I personally think AJ starts Friday and wins the job and starts the 3rd pre-season game in preparation for the season.  

 

If AJ starts the 3rd pre-season game and Allen continues to show progress,  I think they try to deal Peterman and make Allen the back up.   I think it's critical Allen gets 2nd team reps throughout the season in practice.  

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It better be freaking Allen. He looks fine for a rookie in terms of nerves playing his game. And he looks infinitely more talented than the other guys

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18 minutes ago, White Linen said:

If Allen doesn't start Friday,  then I don't think he starts the season.   If AJ starts Friday, I think it's between him and Peterman.  If Peterman starts Friday, it's his job to lose.  

 

I personally think AJ starts Friday and wins the job and starts the 3rd pre-season game in preparation for the season.  

 

If AJ starts the 3rd pre-season game and Allen continues to show progress,  I think they try to deal Peterman and make Allen the back up.   I think it's critical Allen gets 2nd team reps throughout the season in practice.  

 

I agree with the bold. Beyond that, no idea. 

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4 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

The starter for preseason game 3 will be very telling.

 

And should be the answer to the question, barring a serious crash and burn in game 3. 

 

Then the Josh Clock starts ticking....because that time will come. 

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I've said from day 1, if Allen is better in camp then go ahead and start him.

If they are equal start AJ and see how the first quarter of the season goes.

Just let pop-gun arm hold a clip board.

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30 minutes ago, White Linen said:

If Allen doesn't start Friday,  then I don't think he starts the season.   If AJ starts Friday, I think it's between him and Peterman.  If Peterman starts Friday, it's his job to lose.  

 

I personally think AJ starts Friday and wins the job and starts the 3rd pre-season game in preparation for the season.  

 

If AJ starts the 3rd pre-season game and Allen continues to show progress,  I think they try to deal Peterman and make Allen the back up.   I think it's critical Allen gets 2nd team reps throughout the season in practice.  

That's a pretty solid take, except I don't think a trade of Peterman is necessarily in the cards, at least not immediately.  If there is an opportunity to trade a QB, it's probably for a draft pick.  I don't think the draft pick would be high enough that it would make the Bills want to forfeit the insurance they would have by carrying three QBs who all know the system and can play.  Injuries are just too frequent in the NFL.

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Allen looks like the best of the 3, Peterman was already doomed b.c the worst of the three was bound to play the first preseason game. 

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AJM is going to start. Mark it down and put money on it.

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Based off snaps and performances, Peterman should start. However, for the process, I think McCarron gets the nod.

 

McDermott has already said he wants to make the decision quick.  I expect a starter be named between games 2-3.  Then the starter will start in game 3 with Allen as the back up.  Then Allen also getting most of game 4

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Probably Allen. The other two just aren't good enough to keep the #7 pick on the bench. They simply can't make the throws that he can.

 

I think Peterman is ahead of McCarron.

 

1. Allen

2. Peterman 

3. put McCarron on the block. Will just get a late round pick.

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1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

It better be freaking Allen. He looks fine for a rookie in terms of nerves playing his game. And he looks infinitely more talented than the other guys

I agree with you, but I fear the organization doesn't see it that way. 

 

In fact, the ways things are going, they seem to be going more with a sheltered approach, bringing Allen along slowly.

 

I hope that all changes in the days ahead. 

1 hour ago, Dadonkadonk said:

I've said from day 1, if Allen is better in camp then go ahead and start him.

If they are equal start AJ and see how the first quarter of the season goes.

Just let pop-gun arm hold a clip board.

I don't get that.  If Allen is the best QB or at least tied for best, you start him for Game 1, period.

 

There is no long term plan for AJ on this team.  None.  So why in the world play him if Allen can be played instead?

 

 

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As much as I'd love it as a fan, I have a hard time seeing how they could start Allen on Friday. I think they're one preseason game short, if they want to run this thing while appearing to be astute decision makers.

 

All played well in game 1. There's no reason based on short term performance to put Allen ahead of AJ on Friday, unless they want to appear like they're rooting for Allen. If there was another game between 2 and 3 (the latter being the universally recognized "dress rehearsal"), I imagine Allen would get a start after AJ. But I don't know how they do that if they need a starter by the real game 3. 

 

Hope they make my assumptions look like a crock and they trot Allen out. 

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If JA shows progression between gm1-gm2 I think you have to seriously look at starting him game 3 and to open the year. The difference in the throws he can make that AJM and NP can't is huge. 

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I’d bet that McCarron is the starter in ps games 2& 3 , and therefore the openening day starter. Barring injury, I’d say take it to the bank. As for Allen, I wouldn’t expect to see him starting before week 9 or 10 if McCarron is serviceable. 

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2 hours ago, TigerJ said:

That's a pretty solid take, except I don't think a trade of Peterman is necessarily in the cards, at least not immediately.  If there is an opportunity to trade a QB, it's probably for a draft pick.  I don't think the draft pick would be high enough that it would make the Bills want to forfeit the insurance they would have by carrying three QBs who all know the system and can play.  Injuries are just too frequent in the NFL.

The vikings gave up a 1st for bradford a few years back when bridgewater went down. You never know how desperate some teams might get when their starter goes down

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3 hours ago, White Linen said:

If Allen doesn't start Friday,  then I don't think he starts the season.   If AJ starts Friday, I think it's between him and Peterman.  If Peterman starts Friday, it's his job to lose.  

 

I personally think AJ starts Friday and wins the job and starts the 3rd pre-season game in preparation for the season.  

 

If AJ starts the 3rd pre-season game and Allen continues to show progress,  I think they try to deal Peterman and make Allen the back up.   I think it's critical Allen gets 2nd team reps throughout the season in practice.  

 

If Allen gets no 1st or 2nd team reps in the game this week, I agree.

 

But I don't think he needs to start to have a good chance. If AJ starts and Allen is 2nd, that's a rotation and it says Allen is still in it.

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New England Patriot fans are the true front runners...lets see how many empty seats they have when they start going 5-11 again...

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1 hour ago, Fadingpain said:

I agree with you, but I fear the organization doesn't see it that way. 

 

In fact, the ways things are going, they seem to be going more with a sheltered approach, bringing Allen along slowly.

 

I hope that all changes in the days ahead. 

I don't get that.  If Allen is the best QB or at least tied for best, you start him for Game 1, period.

 

There is no long term plan for AJ on this team.  None.  So why in the world play him if Allen can be played instead?

 

 

I appreciate your point and would be fine with Allen starting game 1.  I just think four games of watching would be helpful for Allen.  Letting the O-line gel for a few games would be helpful for any QB but a rookie even more so.  Also consider the teams they play in the first four - Ravens, Chargers, Vikings, and Packers.  Three of four on the road.  It is the hardest four game stretch of the season.  If AJ is 2-2 or 3-1 at that point you let him keep playing. If they Bills are 1-3 or 0-4, turn the keys over to Allen for the Titans at home.

And while I agree there is no long term plan for AJ, a good run by him makes him a valuable asset in the off-season.

 

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All the people saying Allen should start week 1..... we just haven't seen anything to base that on yet. Yes he made some absolutely outstanding throws on Thursday... but he looked less comfortable than the other two in terms of operating the offense (I know he was playing with scrubs around him) and he also still made a couple of really head scratching decisions while failing to complete more than 50% of his passes. 

 

Was there stuff to get excited about? Absolutely. Does it even move him up the depth chart, let alone win him the job? I don't think so. Not yet anyway. He will get the 2n half again on Friday is my prediction. I want to see a bit more comfort in the operation of the offense, in getting through reads in the pocket and in taking what the defense gives him and getting the ball out on time thereby completing a higher % of his passes. Josh Allen has the "wow factor" over the other two and the "talent factor" too.  But he needs to show he can consistently lead an offense that moves the chains, play after play, and works the ball down the field. 

 

I get being excited, there was a lot to encourage us. Just pump the brakes. To quote a wise man "it's a process".  

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18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

All the people saying Allen should start week 1..... we just haven't seen anything to base that on yet. Yes he made some absolutely outstanding throws on Thursday... but he looked less comfortable than the other two in terms of operating the offense (I know he was playing with scrubs around him) and he also still made a couple of really head scratching decisions while failing to complete more than 50% of his passes. 

 

Was there stuff to get excited about? Absolutely. Does it even move him up the depth chart, let alone win him the job? I don't think so. Not yet anyway. He will get the 2n half again on Friday is my prediction. I want to see a bit more comfort in the operation of the offense, in getting through reads in the pocket and in taking what the defense gives him and getting the ball out on time thereby completing a higher % of his passes. Josh Allen has the "wow factor" over the other two and the "talent factor" too.  But he needs to show he can consistently lead an offense that moves the chains, play after play, and works the ball down the field. 

 

I get being excited, there was a lot to encourage us. Just pump the brakes. To quote a wise man "it's a process".  

i agree and the most important thing is getting wins in those first 2 games.  also, i believe the team counsel will have a large say in who they believe gives them the best chance.

i would imagine it would be awfully hard for the coach to sell the team on going through rookie ups and downs. players want to win.

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12 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

 i believe the team counsel will have a large say in who they believe gives them the best chance.

 

 

There are lawyers involved?

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AJ McCarron does NOT want to be a back up QB!  

 

IMO Peterman would be the Frank Reich kind of guy, happy with being a backup.

 

All things being equal, it would be silly to dump Peterman and keep AJ when AJ will most certainly move on after his contract is up.

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