Domdab99 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 The Jaguars have had 5 playoff wins before their game with the Bills this past season, including beating the Bills in the WC round in 1996. They also destroyed the Dolphins 62-7 in 1999 in what was (I think) Dan Marino's last game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 46 minutes ago, nucci said: Ralph stripped Knox of all personnel decision making.....Cribbs wanted to get paid and Ralph wouldn't do it...Reggie McKenzie a Bills traitor....? Your list is a bit flaweed Agreed about Knox. Knox got tired of Ralph's meddling and left. Otherwise, John Butler, AJ Smith, Doug Flutie and Steve Christie should be on this list since they all left because of the same reasons (Ralph's meddling). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawolv Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 By default, Scott Norwood should be on this list. JK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: He wasn't a traitor. Just a disgruntled ex employee who couldn't come to grips he got fired because he sucked at his job. I'd add Willis McGahee to this list given we took a chance with a 1st round pick, gave him a year to rehab, and then forced his way out of here by saying he thought we should move to Toronto. Remember when the majority opinion around here was that he was a great signing and would bring the Bills back to relevancy? Good times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) Marrone had an amendment put in his contract once RCW passed away because he wanted to have his own "out" in case new ownership wanted to come in and clean house. He's tried to make himself look like a martyr in saying that the reason he walked was because he demanded raises for everyone on his staff, which was denied. It's also been rumored that he asked for a contract extension, which was also denied. The Pegulas planned on keeping him but didn't have any plans to mess with his current contract or any of his assistant's current contracts. At the time he quit, he had his agent in his ear telling him he was "guaranteed" the Jets HC job. But then he went to interview with them and evidently gave a horrible interview. Rumors I read were that when asked why he left the Bills, he talked in circles and really just didn't have a convincing reason. On top of that, the dude is straight up moody as hell and players would say they'd come off a win and come back to practice the next week and Marrone would be sulking around as if they just got blown out 58-3. Teams usually adapt/adopt the attitude/persona of their leadership and if the leadership is kickin' rocks all day because he couldn't handle a press conference then it's not gonna be a really conducive work environment. I'll give him some credit for the 9-7 2014 season but I'll give more credit to Jim Schwartz and that defense. And many of the veteran players were over his "old school" style from pretty early on. The dude wanted to run the show like a college program but that stuff doesn't fly with guys who've been around the league for a while. On top of that, he was rigid to his game plans/schemes and either refused to adjust or just couldn't. Someone else mentioned how his boss is now Coughlin and that Marrone should be careful but Coughlin is one of Marrone's idols. I'm sure he's more than happy to let Coughlin run the personnel and follow whatever instruction he wants. Either way, to me, the guy is always gonna be an L-7 Weenie. Edited July 23, 2018 by blacklabel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) What about Ronnie Harmon and the drop in the Cleveland playoff game? iirc there was stories about how he had a gambling debt and the two were related. Does anyone remember this rumor? I was like 13 and can remember bits and pieces of the story. Edited July 24, 2018 by atlbillsfan1975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Jerry Sulllivan. End of list. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 This list should ALWAYS include Dusty Ziegler and Leon Seals, period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: Wow, grow a pair. Ralph really was cheap. Wow, I love when people quote the entire lengthy post just to drop a one line quip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I blame the cheapskate front office for Peters being traded. Guy signed a RT tackle deal and had a probowl LT tackle season. Deserved a pay raise the FO wasn't going to give him. Lynch was living in a hostile environment created by the media. Not saying he didn't make mistakes but the media continually harped on it. I would have looked to get out as well. Also both players were "traded", they didn't leave on their own.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 4 hours ago, SoTier said: This thread seems to be the football equivalent of the fascist political mantra of "my country, right or wrong". If professional football is a "business" when it comes to owners/managements replacing decent/older/injured/more expensive players with better/younger/healthier/cheaper players, why is it "treason" for players to look for better pay/better opportunities for recognition/better working conditions/more security? Isn't that what tens of millions of Americans do every year when they quit their current jobs to take new ones. Are they "traitors", too? OP, take your stupid post and shove it where the sun don't shine. It's disgusting. I was going to say something similar, just maybe not as disrespectfully. This is the NFL. If the owners don't have to be "loyal", why do the players? This is their careers; they don't owe the team, or the fans, anything. And TBH, the Bills haven't been a very good/well run franchise for a large portion of their existence. Ralph had a reputation of being cheap, and that idea wasn't specific to fan speculation only. When Jim Kelly said "What would you choose, Houston or Buffalo?", (I hate to say it) but he had a good point, for multiple reasons. and not only was the franchise's future altered due to his decision to play in the USFL (by being terrible enough to land Bruce), but his career could have taken a much different path as well. Everything happens for a reason, and you could argue that the "glory years" may have never happened, had Jim started his career in Buffalo. The glory years really was the result of a perfect storm of events that blended together, starting with Jim going to Houston, followed by drafting Bruce #1, hiring Polian, finding a diamond in Andre, etc. Now that doesn't mean that I disagree with the entire premise of this thread. Guys like Andersen, McGahee, Smerlas, etc. all deserve a place among the biggest "traitors" (maybe the wrong choice of word) in team history. But just being drafted by the Bills doesn't mean that they should swear their allegiance to the team and ride it out with them no matter what. "Loyalty" in professional football is loose at best, but if a team shows some loyalty to the player, then chances are that the player will show some loyalty in return, to some extent. But again, we're talking about the pre-Pegula Bills here, and (God rest his soul) Ralph wasn't exactly known for his widespread loyalty (WRT football; great man away from the game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Will Wolford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 whoever brought Marv back, clearly not up to the task.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 It's taken this long for anyone to mention Doug Flutie? I'm appalled, appalled at everyone. As he was easily the biggest locker room concert we ever had. Chris Burkett also ranks up there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 #1 could’ve been Ralph with all the many threats he made to move the team to Seattle etc. Thank God he never carried through with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 5 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: WHOA! Someone had urine flavored Cherrios this morning. Are you telling me none of these ticked you off when they happened? I know for me Jason Peters and Doug Marrone really got me fuming. Also, to compare athletes to the average American is pretty laughable. Though I agree they should fall under and abide by the same laws we all do, they live in a world that is far from ours. Those tens of millions of Americans you mention, are they signed under contract when they quit after receiving millions of dollars in compensation? Most likely not. I will agree with you as far as the "traitor" monikor being off base. Its more like being classless. It's SoTier. It's what he does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, Like A Mofo said: Jerry Sulllivan. End of list. Beat me to it haha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 hours ago, blacklabel said: Marrone had an amendment put in his contract once RCW passed away because he wanted to have his own "out" in case new ownership wanted to come in and clean house. He's tried to make himself look like a martyr in saying that the reason he walked was because he demanded raises for everyone on his staff, which was denied. It's also been rumored that he asked for a contract extension, which was also denied. The Pegulas planned on keeping him but didn't have any plans to mess with his current contract or any of his assistant's current contracts. At the time he quit, he had his agent in his ear telling him he was "guaranteed" the Jets HC job. But then he went to interview with them and evidently gave a horrible interview. Rumors I read were that when asked why he left the Bills, he talked in circles and really just didn't have a convincing reason. On top of that, the dude is straight up moody as hell and players would say they'd come off a win and come back to practice the next week and Marrone would be sulking around as if they just got blown out 58-3. Teams usually adapt/adopt the attitude/persona of their leadership and if the leadership is kickin' rocks all day because he couldn't handle a press conference then it's not gonna be a really conducive work environment. I'll give him some credit for the 9-7 2014 season but I'll give more credit to Jim Schwartz and that defense. And many of the veteran players were over his "old school" style from pretty early on. The dude wanted to run the show like a college program but that stuff doesn't fly with guys who've been around the league for a while. On top of that, he was rigid to his game plans/schemes and either refused to adjust or just couldn't. Someone else mentioned how his boss is now Coughlin and that Marrone should be careful but Coughlin is one of Marrone's idols. I'm sure he's more than happy to let Coughlin run the personnel and follow whatever instruction he wants. Either way, to me, the guy is always gonna be an L-7 Weenie. The Jets HC job was supposedly his dream job. There were also rumors that the Bills front office called up other teams to blackball Marrone after he did us like that. I can believe it. A rookie head coach that went 9-7 (with a franchise like Buffalo) would be a pretty hot commodity on the open market, and he was only able to land as an offensive line coach. To the original post, I'd put Marrone higher on the list. I'd also move Lynch way down (probably out of the top 10) and put McGahee up there. Lynch was run out of town by the media/fans and never said anything bad about Buffalo afterwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 That can't be true about Gary Anderson. I can't find anything about that anywhere. Who's to say he would definitely get picked up by another team? Unless you're being facetious, which I think there's like a 50% chance of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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