The Crowing Rooster Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) This thread makes me wish that training camp gets here that much quicker so we can stop with all this nonsense. Edited July 19, 2018 by The Monk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) Craig Morton and Roger Staubach was probably the last time it worked? each play for at least one game Edited July 19, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, The Monk said: This thread makes me wish that training camp gets here that much quicker so we can stop with all this nonsense. Killjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: Craig Morton and Roger Staubach was probably the last time it worked? each play for at least one game Remember 'Strockley' for the Dolphins? There was a fair amount of swapping out of Don Strock / David Woodley for the Dolphins in the early 80s, since I believe neither was setting the world on fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Why can't we ever be a normal team, draft a top QB, play him and stick with him for at least a couple years, give him full support and draft and build around him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Tipster19 said: I watched the NFL over the years (40+) evolve in so many ways. Some good, some not so good. Before parity there were dynasties, before specialists there were 3-4 down players, which leads me to speculate if the time is near where there will be teams employing a multi QB offense. I have been feeling like that the last few years and thinking that there is only a handful of premiere QBs playing in today’s game, especially since Manning retired. While the majority of today’s QBs are better athletes they still don’t have marquis attraction. Michael Vick really propelled the modern day athletic QB and it has grown even more the last few years imo. It’s firmly a part of today’s game and is here to stay. Baltimore’s Lamar Jackson just might be the next player to make another turning point in today’s game. It won’t surprise me one bit if the Ravens’ start using him this year in a relief role. Flacco won’t like it but that’s too bad, Baltimore is actually the perfect scenario for an experimental evolution of the QB position, kind of like a perfect storm type of situation, underwhelming the last few years, drafting a thrilling electrifying athletic QB who is far from being a finished product and a very underwhelming offense led by an Cutleresque type veteran in Flacco who has appeared to be just punching a clock. If Harbaugh (a former ST Coach) can find any kind of success by using an unorthodox offense then it won’t surprise me if other teams/franchises starts considering utilizing a “closer type” QB. Just saying... So there have been reports out of Raven's OTAs that they have explored options where they have LJ and Flacco on the field at the same time. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/ravens/ravens-experimenting-getting-joe-flacco-and-lamar-jackson-field-same-time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So there have been reports out of Raven's OTAs that they have explored options where they have LJ and Flacco on the field at the same time. https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/ravens/ravens-experimenting-getting-joe-flacco-and-lamar-jackson-field-same-time I would want to get an athlete like Jackson on the field, too, so it’s not surprising they would incorporate play packages to do that. But there is still only one QB on the field and the other becomes another skill position player to be keyed on. That’s obvious of course but it’s not a minor point when it comes to the idea of playing “two QBs.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, greeneblitz said: Why can't we ever be a normal team, draft a top QB, play him and stick with him for at least a couple years, give him full support and draft and build around him? it's a lot of stars aligning to get one that works, the Bills have only had Jim Kelly and they got him knowing he was off to the USFL. till then, dream up all kinds of schemes with a tinker-toy O because the QB can't throw the football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 12 hours ago, K-9 said: I would want to get an athlete like Jackson on the field, too, so it’s not surprising they would incorporate play packages to do that. But there is still only one QB on the field and the other becomes another skill position player to be keyed on. That’s obvious of course but it’s not a minor point when it comes to the idea of playing “two QBs.” Except that in the plays that have been rumored, the other "skill position player" may be passing also, just like a QB....in which case it's kind of a semantic issue to say "another skill position player" and not "two QBs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Let another team find out... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) Do you mean on the field at the same time? Or do you mean as a closer as you say at one point? Sure, there could be a closer type guy to play a few downs per game. Or both guys at once every once in a while, as an interesting gimmick play. It would give defenses more to prepare for, make things harder on opposing DCs. But the bottom line is that it would be a gimmick for a few plays a game, because you want your most dangerous, effective guy on the field all the time. Reports are Jackson ran a 4.34 40 in a private workout. Be interesting to see him set as a WR on the left side, run a jet sweep right and have an option to run or pass. That would put tremendous pressure on one side of the D. It will be really interesting to see what happens with Baltimore. I expect to see Lamar Jackson a few plays a game. And then if he turns out to be better than Flacco, to entirely replace him. Edited July 20, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Shotgun? That's insane! Wildcat? Are you nuts? No huddle? Implorable! Go for 2 when you don't need 2? WTF! ......oh wait.....ummmmmm...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 No. The second QB would need to be a better WR, RB or TE than the regular position players. Otherwise you are putting inferior talent on the field for a few gadget plays. The one place this may work is with Jackson and Flacco. You could never split out Flacco but Jackson could excel as a RB. The downside is that you are risking your backup QB to injury. That is a high risk for a small reward unless you needed one play to win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I don’t think I understand, in your scenario, why the athletic guy in Jackson would be the closer. Once you’ve got the game in hand I would think you go with the traditional passer to wrap it up...the guy who can make the easy throws to move the sticks when reliability rather than unpredictability is important. Jackson would be the better starter/gadget guy for this to work IMO. But I doubt teams would go for it. The NFL is pretty conservative wrt scheming offenses for unconventional quarterbacks. The best a guy like Jackson can hope for is to get the kind of staff and pieces that surrounded Kaepernick in his early years when that offense was pretty dangerous. It’s either that or make the long , often impossible transition to pocket-passer-who-can-also-run a la Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) I think it could be done more than people think, but if you had 1 really good QB, you would want him on the field all the time. If you have several QBs who are mediocre, the impact of switching around wouldn't be as great, but I don't think it would prove to be advantageous in the end. Edited July 20, 2018 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 4:28 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Tom Landry says no. Roger Staubach too. And yet Landry - one of the great minds of NFL history - tried it. At one point in the 1971 season, Landry thought using two QBs was the best thing for his team. At least one game, he alternated them every play. Eventually, Staubach proved himself to be better than Morton and became the sole, undisputed starter. If a brilliant, HOF coach like Tom Landry thought having a starting duo was a good idea under certain circumstances, I can't blame the OP for considering it given our current circumstances. Then again, I wouldn't do it. Depending how everyone performs, I'd probably make AJ the starter until Allen starts looking in practice like the better man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, hondo in seattle said: And yet Landry - one of the great minds of NFL history - tried it. At one point in the 1971 season, Landry thought using two QBs was the best thing for his team. At least one game, he alternated them every play. Eventually, Staubach proved himself to be better than Morton and became the sole, undisputed starter. If a brilliant, HOF coach like Tom Landry thought having a starting duo was a good idea under certain circumstances, I can't blame the OP for considering it given our current circumstances. Then again, I wouldn't do it. Depending how everyone performs, I'd probably make AJ the starter until Allen starts looking in practice like the better man. It was an unmitigated disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 8:43 AM, greeneblitz said: Why can't we ever be a normal team, draft a top QB, play him and stick with him for at least a couple years, give him full support and draft and build around him? I didn't read the OP's question as revolving around the Bills (maybe I'm wrong?). So I'll answer it theoretically: (1) Yes, I believe a 2 QB mix could work. (2) Yes, I believe the time will come when some team tries it and has some success with it. That team would obviously be one without a great every-series QB, or maybe one in which the great QB gets injured and the 2 QB rotation is done out of necessity. Traditional wisdom changes slowly, but it does change. I'm seeing it in baseball now: radical defensive shifts, the slow death of the "closer" with smart teams now using their best relief pitcher in the highest leverage situations, etc. One thing that could propel a change in the NFL: change the stupid rule where defenses are given time to substitute in response to offensive substitutions. (If I remember correctly, wasn't this a response to our very own K-Gun innovation? It was done because there was supposed to be something "unfair" about teams being smarter than their opponents. We were the smarter team then, not the Pats ...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 (edited) Let's look back through the years of NFL history to determine how well this "Dual QB" system has actually worked and flourished over the decades shall we. How many playoff games and SBs were won under this employed system? And please don't tell me Wentz and Foles were a Dual QB tandem. Neither saw the field in the same game until Wentz got hurt. Edited July 20, 2018 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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