fansince88 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 17 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: What is it with people coming here for advice about their kids & grandkids? Don’t you understand those around you are idiots? Yeah, I mean... you want to ask me? Noooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 21 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: If its a cappella, have her work on clearly singing the lowest note she can reach clearly -which will be the 2nd word ‘say’ in the song. That should allow her to hit the highest note ‘Glare!’ -pulling away from the mic. I’ve sung it and performed it well using this method. It she sings with a band, have her give the conductor her low note. He/she may be able to have the band play in a different key. If she is a lyric soprano, she will have a minimum vocal range of 2 1/2 octaves. There is a good chance she's got more than 3 octaves. It's true that the national anthem has a pretty demanding range for many, but my guess is that for a soprano trained in classical music/opera, finding a key she can handle is one of the least of her worries. (I was a lyric baritone and had about 2 1/2 octaves of practical range.) Ah, those were the days. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 22 hours ago, oldmanfan said: She sings it the way it was written, so no problem there. That's great! I wish there was a way to get the message to dozens of other Mariah Cary wannabes who try to pack 278 notes into one syllable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 11 hours ago, TigerJ said: If she is a lyric soprano, she will have a minimum vocal range of 2 1/2 octaves. There is a good chance she's got more than 3 octaves. It's true that the national anthem has a pretty demanding range for many, but my guess is that for a soprano trained in classical music/opera, finding a key she can handle is one of the least of her worries. (I was a lyric baritone and had about 2 1/2 octaves of practical range.) Ah, those were the days. LOL Not sure of her range but I know it 's pretty big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 17 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Not sure of her range but I know it 's pretty big. 2 octaves is kind of an average vocal range. As I said, if your daughter is a classically trained lyric soprano, the bottom of her range will be somewhere close to C below middle C. Her top will be an E or higher above the C, 2 octaves above middle C. That's going to work out to about 3 octaves or a little better in range. Then you have some female singers that are freaks of nature who claim 4 octaves or better. I think Barbra Streisand was supposed to have that kind of freaky range. Mariah Carey too. It's rare, however. A lyric soprano is the lightest of the soprano voices (light in terms of vocal quality). As a lyric soprano she probably won't have a stellar career as an opera singer. It's the coloratura sopranos who are the real stars. They have a little more body to their voice, but retain the extremely high range. They combine that with incredible vocal agility. Your daughter would certainly be able to sing opera, however. A lyric voice is a beautiful sounding voice, but she might lack some of the depth and power of some other types of sopranos. As a lyric baritone, I had the same kinds of issues. Essentially, my voice sounded like a tenor's, but I lacked a little at the top of my range. I could sing an A above middle C in full voice, but a tenor needs to have a full octave above middle C. To sing opera, I really would have needed a little darker quality to my voice as a baritone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 7:32 PM, JohnC said: In grammar school my voice was so horrible and I was so tone deaf that the music teacher told me not to sing but to fake singing at the graduation ceremony. I was the class president so the honest but brutal critique was somewhat mitigated. Looking back, the harsh judgment by the teacher wasn't the right thing to do. Big freaking deal that someone would be singing out of tune at a grammar school event! However, I got over it. That sour experience prepared me for the some of the harsh comments I receive when I post. My sister went to a private Catholic school that was about to close. She had 9 kids in her class. Not say, english class, but the sophomore class. They said EVERYBODY is in the choir. She objected, they insisted, she sang. A new position was created....someone has to flip the pages for the person playing the piano. It’s a family thing, no ear, no voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 19, 2018 Author Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 hours ago, TigerJ said: 2 octaves is kind of an average vocal range. As I said, if your daughter is a classically trained lyric soprano, the bottom of her range will be somewhere close to C below middle C. Her top will be an E or higher above the C, 2 octaves above middle C. That's going to work out to about 3 octaves or a little better in range. Then you have some female singers that are freaks of nature who claim 4 octaves or better. I think Barbra Streisand was supposed to have that kind of freaky range. Mariah Carey too. It's rare, however. A lyric soprano is the lightest of the soprano voices (light in terms of vocal quality). As a lyric soprano she probably won't have a stellar career as an opera singer. It's the coloratura sopranos who are the real stars. They have a little more body to their voice, but retain the extremely high range. They combine that with incredible vocal agility. Your daughter would certainly be able to sing opera, however. A lyric voice is a beautiful sounding voice, but she might lack some of the depth and power of some other types of sopranos. As a lyric baritone, I had the same kinds of issues. Essentially, my voice sounded like a tenor's, but I lacked a little at the top of my range. I could sing an A above middle C in full voice, but a tenor needs to have a full octave above middle C. To sing opera, I really would have needed a little darker quality to my voice as a baritone. Her training is in music theater and she has been described to me as a classic soprano. If you think of Julie Andrews or Shirley Jones and some of their roles, that's her voice. Right now for example she is Cinderella in Into the Woods. She's never really expressed an interest in opera; it would require an entirely different training as I understand it. But she does absolutely nail the anthem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Her training is in music theater and she has been described to me as a classic soprano. If you think of Julie Andrews or Shirley Jones and some of their roles, that's her voice. Right now for example she is Cinderella in Into the Woods. She's never really expressed an interest in opera; it would require an entirely different training as I understand it. But she does absolutely nail the anthem! I'm sure she does. I don't mean to classify her as an opera singer. In musical theater, it works a little differently. In opera, you are very much typecast according to voice type. The female lead is almost always going to be a coloratura soprano. In musical theater, not so much. Yeah, roles are cast with voice range in mind, but casting directors would be less concerned about whether she is a lyric soprano or a dramatic soprano - only that she can sing the part, and her appearance and acting fit the role. Edited July 19, 2018 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 6:11 PM, BUFFALOKIE said: Pics? It took you 2 min?? Man, this place is slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 15 hours ago, Augie said: My sister went to a private Catholic school that was about to close. She had 9 kids in her class. Not say, english class, but the sophomore class. They said EVERYBODY is in the choir. She objected, they insisted, she sang. A new position was created....someone has to flip the pages for the person playing the piano. It’s a family thing, no ear, no voice. My philosophy is when you are working with a deficit just embrace it. It won't kill you to carry that luggage that you can't escape from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 15 hours ago, Augie said: My sister went to a private Catholic school that was about to close. She had 9 kids in her class. Not say, english class, but the sophomore class. They said EVERYBODY is in the choir. She objected, they insisted, she sang. A new position was created....someone has to flip the pages for the person playing the piano. It’s a family thing, no ear, no voice. Which one was that? Buf Sem? Sacred Heart? Holy Angels? I think they have all closed at one point or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnC said: My philosophy is when you are working with a deficit just embrace it. It won't kill you to carry that luggage that you can't escape from. Her daughter seems worse than she is. She seems hard of hearing because she’s VERY LOUD naturally. Perfect fit? Teach third graders! And she gets her summers off. 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: Which one was that? Buf Sem? Sacred Heart? Holy Angels? I think they have all closed at one point or another. I should know that...St Mary’s Sem? Closed after her sophomore year, and she’s older than I am. Edited July 19, 2018 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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